Crime Alabama prisoner subjected to 'three hours of pain' in possible longest recorded execution in US

UniLad (Archive) - August 15, 2022
by, Jake Massey

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An Alabama prisoner was subjected to 'three hours of pain' in what may have been the longest execution in US history, according to a human rights organisation.

Murderer Joe Nathan James Jr received a lethal injection at a south Alabama prison on 29 July after the US supreme court denied his request for a stay of execution.

He was was pronounced dead at 9.27pm (3.27am on Friday BST), after the start of the procedure was delayed by nearly three hours.

State officials initially insisted that there was 'nothing out of the ordinary' about the execution; however, they later stated that executioners had difficulties establishing the intravenous lines carrying the lethal drugs.

Citing James Jr's autopsy report and an article by The Atlantic, human rights organisation Reprieve US has concluded that the lethal injection began long before media witnesses were admitted at around 9.00pm.

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According to The Guardian, the director of Reprieve US, Maya Foa, said in a statement yesterday (Sunday 14 April): "Subjecting a prisoner to three hours of pain and suffering is the definition of cruel and unusual punishment. States cannot continue to pretend that the abhorrent practice of lethal injection is in any way humane."

She added: "This is the latest example of the extreme lengths states will be go to hide the brutal reality of lethal injection because they know the public would oppose it if they found out what was really going on."

UNILAD has reached out to Alabama state prison officials for comment.

James Jr, 50, was convicted and sentenced to death over the 1994 shooting death of Faith Hall, 26, in Birmingham.

Hall's daughters said they would rather James Jr served life in prison, but Alabama governor Kay Ivey let the execution proceed.

Prosecutors said James Jr briefly dated Hall and he became obsessed after she rejected him, stalking and harassing her for months before killing her.

On 15 August 1994, after Hall had been out shopping with a friend, James Jr forced his way inside the friend's apartment, pulled a gun from his waistband and shot Hall three times, according to court documents.

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Hall's two daughters, who were three and six when their mother was killed, said they wanted James Jr to serve life in prison instead of being executed. The family members did not attend the execution.

"Today is a tragic day for our family. We are having to relive the hurt that this caused us many years ago," the family's statement issued through state representative Juandalynn Givan's office read. Givan was a friend of Hall's.

"We hoped the state wouldn't take a life simply because a life was taken and we have forgiven Mr Joe Nathan James Jr for his atrocities toward our family.

"We pray that God allows us to find healing after today and that one day our criminal justice system will listen to the cries of families like ours even if it goes against what the state wishes."

Ivey said she always deeply considers the feelings of the victim's family and loved ones, but 'must always fulfil our responsibility to the law, to public safety and to justice'.

She added: "Faith Hall, the victim of repetitive harassment, serious threats and ultimately, cold-blooded murder, was taken from this earth far too soon at the hands of Joe Nathan James Jr.

"Now, after two convictions, a unanimous jury decision and nearly three decades on death row, Mr James has been executed for capital murder, and justice has been served for Faith Hall."

The governor added that an 'unmistakable message was sent that Alabama stands with victims of domestic violence'.
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I know some others have said it, but I'd like to add my two cents. This really is a perfect example why more states should make death by firing squad an option.

Sure, the few states that still do it make the whole event as austistic as absolute fucking possible (using identical guns where only one has real bullets but they don't know which, so the ones picked to do it will never know which one made the kill shot; retarded shit like that), but they're not going to ever just let you bleed out for a full three hours. Last time there was a firing squad execution, dude entered the execution room and was officially pronounced dead two minutes later; and part of that two minutes accounts for the actual gunfire, and the examiner being let in and checking for a pulse. I fail to see how that's any less humane* than lethal injection or gassing 'em. Different people react differently to different chemicals, but when it's just you, locked-in and stationary in a jumpsuit versus a .30 cal, differences like that ain't much of an issue.

Plus, everyone on prison staff that was a part of the execution in any way gets a special shiny commemorative coin to mark the occasion. And y'know what, if you've fucked up so bad that you're set on death row, the least you could do is let your death do some good with a proper Happy Death Day shekel.


(* Rhetorical statement. I know it's some "But muh humanity and muh ethics!" kinda thing, as well as something-something "We're above our barbaric ancestors and their methods!" and probably a little of "B-but that's what the Nazis did!" But let's be real. A death penalty is a death penalty. It only becomes an "ethical issue" when you languidly torture them to death. Like in this case.)
 
using identical guns where only one has real bullets but they don't know which, so the ones picked to do it will never know which one made the kill shot; retarded shit like that
i find this so retarded. just ask for a volunteer among the local prison guards, i'm 100% confident that they'll have no trouble finding at least one guy among them who's willing to put a bullet in a convict.

the large formal 'firing squad' thing is a holdover from military tradition where they did summary executions this way i think. for practical use in prisons i think it is much better to just have the subject tied to a chair, then have a cop shoot him into the back of the neck, right where the spine connects to the skull, from point blank range. near impossible to fuck up, and since the bullet shreds the brain stem this kills faster than any other possible method, even faster than beheading or long drop hanging.

only downsides are that it makes a big mess in the execution chamber, and the corpse will not be presentable for funeral purposes because the face gets blown out by the exit wound.
 
The drugs they are giving to kill someone aren't the kind of drugs that are going to cause "pain" in too little of a dose. Secondly. It's not clear what they mean here. It almost sounds like they are talking about the wait as the "pain" which is something i've heard people make retarded arguments about before.

Either way though, it's a murderer. As long as they weren't intentionally making him suffer greatly, who cares.

I will never understand why they just don't OD them on a mix of pain killers, the stuff they use to put people into comas and then something to kill them.
 
This wouldn't be an issue if Eurofaggots would just sell us the lethal injection chemicals.
why is that even an issue in the first place? like, it's not like america has no chemical and pharmaceutical industry, in fact they have one of the biggest and best in the world. what stops them from simply making the stuff domestically?
 
I don't know why we don't use fentanyl or heroin for lethal injection.

Very quick, very effective.
Are addicts dumb enough to try to get the death penalty to get a really really strong fix?

If so, how complicated is calculating an appropriate dose for someone with a built up tolerance?

Another issue they run into is companies and countries refusing to sell them the drugs if there being used for lethal injections forcing them to come up with new cocktails.
What are the chemicals, exactly, and what are their non lethal uses? Is it feasible to go "if we can't be them nobody can" and ban them in the state?

It's more humane to the executioner is the quiet part. You just put the chemicals in the machine, it goes off on it's own, you're not flipping the switch so you're not killing the person. That shit bothers people, I knew a deputy sheriff who had to kill a guy, but because he and another deputy both shot the guy the coroner couldn't tell which round killed the guy, so they could both tell themselves they didn't do it. Even that bothered him.
On one hand, it's messed up mental games. Ok, so you didn't kill him, that means the other deputy sheriff did. Either you're a killer or you're working with one, but you aren't shunning the other guy as a villain, so are you really that much better?

On the other hand, imagine how fucked up it would be if the executioners didn't hate their job. We've already seen what happens when people who like fucked up stuff actively seek out positions that allow them to access to their fetish. It's probably a good thing that people who like killing can "only" operate as nurses instead of full fledged executioners.
 
On the other hand, imagine how fucked up it would be if the executioners didn't hate their job. We've already seen what happens when people who like fucked up stuff actively seek out positions that allow them to access to their fetish. It's probably a good thing that people who like killing can "only" operate as nurses instead of full fledged executioners.

I am now reminded of that happy Saudi executioner that loved beheading criminals and showed off his big sword, no pun intended.

(* Rhetorical statement. I know it's some "But muh humanity and muh ethics!" kinda thing, as well as something-something "We're above our barbaric ancestors and their methods!" and probably a little of "B-but that's what the Nazis did!" But let's be real. A death penalty is a death penalty. It only becomes an "ethical issue" when you languidly torture them to death. Like in this case.)

Many of those people have no problem with forever wars at this point or investing in the Military Industrial Complex.

Or drone strikes that at this point involve American citizens without a trial.

Or bring up Trump and they will forget all about peace and harmony and loving people lol.
 
I think the fact animals are painlessly euthanised by injection is the reason it’s seen as a more “humane” way to execute prisoners. All the other methods are seen as too gruesome or barbaric (guillotine, firing squad) or have… problematic associations (gas chamber, hanging).
 
And Clarence Dixon they couldn’t find a vein and cut into his groin and inserted into an artery.
That had to be agonizing. A heard a story from a relative who used to do drugs when he was younger. He was very inexperienced at the time and while looking for a vein in his arm or hand, he thought he found one but it turned out to be an artery. He said as soon as he put the needle into the artery and drew back a little blood, he had an electrifying pain shoot through his entire body as he jerked back and threw the syringe up into the air.

The fact that they not only cut into him to get into an artery in his groin of all places, but then slowly shot him full of drugs.. that had to be horrible. But like others said, fuck him. Don't murder people and you won't have to worry about stuff like that.

That being said, they should really get the shit worked out. Doesn't seem like it should be that hard to kill someone with a lethal injection. People used to OD on barbituates so much back in the day that doctors stopped prescribing them. They still recommend using barbituates for suicides. Why don't they just inject the inmate with a bunch of barbituates? It doesn't make sense why they have to make everything so complicated but that's the government for you.
 
I know some others have said it, but I'd like to add my two cents. This really is a perfect example why more states should make death by firing squad an option.

Sure, the few states that still do it make the whole event as austistic as absolute fucking possible (using identical guns where only one has real bullets but they don't know which, so the ones picked to do it will never know which one made the kill shot; retarded shit like that), but they're not going to ever just let you bleed out for a full three hours. Last time there was a firing squad execution, dude entered the execution room and was officially pronounced dead two minutes later; and part of that two minutes accounts for the actual gunfire, and the examiner being let in and checking for a pulse. I fail to see how that's any less humane* than lethal injection or gassing 'em. Different people react differently to different chemicals, but when it's just you, locked-in and stationary in a jumpsuit versus a .30 cal, differences like that ain't much of an issue.

Plus, everyone on prison staff that was a part of the execution in any way gets a special shiny commemorative coin to mark the occasion. And y'know what, if you've fucked up so bad that you're set on death row, the least you could do is let your death do some good with a proper Happy Death Day shekel.
From what I recall, the reason they (Utah specifically) set up firing squads with multiple blank shooters and only one real live weapon (as opposed to the old version where six guys each shoot you with a loaded gun) is a measure to prevent litigation if something went wrong. Hard to sue the executioner if you can't identify him from the guys who fired blanks. This is also why with a lot of lethal injection or gas chamber systems, the prisoner himself is the one who initiates the execution (usually by being forced to push a button or hold a weight).

Interestingly, after the decade-long death penalty ban was lifted in '76, the first person executed was by firing squad in Utah. Supposedly Gilmore chose it because there were no existing firing squad facilities and it would force the state government to spend several million dollars building a place to shoot him. One of the more recent guys to be executed by firing squad, also in Utah, picked it because the state was trying to ban it as an option. Modern firing squad execution are often chosen purely as a "f-ck you" statement to state politicians.

Oddly, everyone's favorite illiterate latinX Sonia Sotomayor is actually a champion of firing squad executions, for the same reasons you mention.

The real argument for firing squads is that most of the companies that make the approved chemicals used in lethal injections or gas chambers refuse to let their products be used in executions, due to the bad PR possibilities, so there are shortages of the legally permitted chemicals. While ammunition manufacturers seem less concerned by the highly publicized proof of effectiveness of their products. That's why several states are considering bringing back the firing squad as an option.

Personally, I'm in favor of a death-by-claymore-mine execution option. That way you don't even have to bury a body.
 
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