Crime Alabama prisoner subjected to 'three hours of pain' in possible longest recorded execution in US

UniLad (Archive) - August 15, 2022
by, Jake Massey

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An Alabama prisoner was subjected to 'three hours of pain' in what may have been the longest execution in US history, according to a human rights organisation.

Murderer Joe Nathan James Jr received a lethal injection at a south Alabama prison on 29 July after the US supreme court denied his request for a stay of execution.

He was was pronounced dead at 9.27pm (3.27am on Friday BST), after the start of the procedure was delayed by nearly three hours.

State officials initially insisted that there was 'nothing out of the ordinary' about the execution; however, they later stated that executioners had difficulties establishing the intravenous lines carrying the lethal drugs.

Citing James Jr's autopsy report and an article by The Atlantic, human rights organisation Reprieve US has concluded that the lethal injection began long before media witnesses were admitted at around 9.00pm.

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According to The Guardian, the director of Reprieve US, Maya Foa, said in a statement yesterday (Sunday 14 April): "Subjecting a prisoner to three hours of pain and suffering is the definition of cruel and unusual punishment. States cannot continue to pretend that the abhorrent practice of lethal injection is in any way humane."

She added: "This is the latest example of the extreme lengths states will be go to hide the brutal reality of lethal injection because they know the public would oppose it if they found out what was really going on."

UNILAD has reached out to Alabama state prison officials for comment.

James Jr, 50, was convicted and sentenced to death over the 1994 shooting death of Faith Hall, 26, in Birmingham.

Hall's daughters said they would rather James Jr served life in prison, but Alabama governor Kay Ivey let the execution proceed.

Prosecutors said James Jr briefly dated Hall and he became obsessed after she rejected him, stalking and harassing her for months before killing her.

On 15 August 1994, after Hall had been out shopping with a friend, James Jr forced his way inside the friend's apartment, pulled a gun from his waistband and shot Hall three times, according to court documents.

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Hall's two daughters, who were three and six when their mother was killed, said they wanted James Jr to serve life in prison instead of being executed. The family members did not attend the execution.

"Today is a tragic day for our family. We are having to relive the hurt that this caused us many years ago," the family's statement issued through state representative Juandalynn Givan's office read. Givan was a friend of Hall's.

"We hoped the state wouldn't take a life simply because a life was taken and we have forgiven Mr Joe Nathan James Jr for his atrocities toward our family.

"We pray that God allows us to find healing after today and that one day our criminal justice system will listen to the cries of families like ours even if it goes against what the state wishes."

Ivey said she always deeply considers the feelings of the victim's family and loved ones, but 'must always fulfil our responsibility to the law, to public safety and to justice'.

She added: "Faith Hall, the victim of repetitive harassment, serious threats and ultimately, cold-blooded murder, was taken from this earth far too soon at the hands of Joe Nathan James Jr.

"Now, after two convictions, a unanimous jury decision and nearly three decades on death row, Mr James has been executed for capital murder, and justice has been served for Faith Hall."

The governor added that an 'unmistakable message was sent that Alabama stands with victims of domestic violence'.
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Why is it fast to euthanize a pet but not a human? I had to euthanize my dog years ago (it was either that or he'd die painfully over hours), and it took seconds from injection to death. I wasn't at all prepared for how fast it was.
bureaucracy and retardation.

any anaesthesiologist in a surgery room can reliably knock his patients out within minutes by pumping them full of propofol and a couple other anaesthetics, it's not rocket science. from that point you don't even have to do anything, they're so deeply unconscious that they don't even breathe and are only kept alive by external ventilation, so if you turn that off they die on their own.
 
Why is it fast to euthanize a pet but not a human? I had to euthanize my dog years ago (it was either that or he'd die painfully over hours), and it took seconds from injection to death. I wasn't at all prepared for how fast it was.
Because with pets we just give them a shitload of benzos and that's that, nighty night. Then we give them even more, just in case.

With humans, we first give them sodium thiopental to knock them out. Then we give them pancuronium to paralyze them and make them stop breathing. Then we give them potassium chloride to give them a heart attack.

Why? Because big pharma makes three times as much money when the state mandates the use of three drugs. There is literally no other reason.

Several states have switched to a more reasonable method of just going with a lethal dose of sodium thiopental. However, because this is America, we buy all our sodium thiopental from Denmark rather than making it ourselves, and they started holding the drug hostage because Euros gonna Euro. So now we have to go back to the botch-prone three drug method, using something other than sodium thiopental (I think it's a barbiturate of some sort) to knock the person out first.

tl;dr globalism turns everything it touches to shit
 
Yeah I was gonna say, the only “lethal injection” you need is 9mm of lead applied directly to the temple.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captive_bolt_pistol humane and effective at a commercial scale.
"they later stated that executioners had difficulties establishing the intravenous lines carrying the lethal drugs."

Is it a really problem if you miss the vein in this scenario? I can't imagine that you would be too worried about causing damage to surrounding tissue in this instance.
You know you've lost the plot as an executioner when you let someone die from poison in a long, agonizing fashion when you could strangle them in a couple of minutes and end their suffering. Maybe they botched it intentionally.
Westerners are scared of blood.
And for good reason. Hepatitis and HIV, bloodborne illnesses, are rampant in prisons.
 
Operation Paperclip taught us how to get to the Moon, but it didn't teach us efficient execution methods? hmm...
 
I was about ask did they forced him to read reddit's front page for 3 hours, because if that was the case I'd be also in pain.

But, on a serious note. No one should give pity or question is this type of execution humane, for someone that willingly and out of spite, decided to have his daugthers grow without a mother.
Because the murderer sure as shit didn't question things or let alone have thoughts about if this was a wrong thing to do.
 
America only executes for the crime of heinous murder. This means nobody on death row is likely to be there unjustly. We kill
predators to protect the herd. Why should a human predator be any different. Knowing the date of your death, I think it can be
argued that is cruel and unusual. Ideally we'd kill them in some sort of lottery system or other randomized event to prevent that.
A quick and humane death is more than they offered their victims. If that outcome isn't achieved, I can't muster much of a care.
 
Very similar thing happened here in AZ. The guy just wouldn't die and languished for quite some time (James Wood, took 2 hours) after administering the drug cocktail. Was pretty gruesome by the way it was described by witnesses.

And Clarence Dixon they couldn’t find a vein and cut into his groin and inserted into an artery.


But honestly, fuck'em. Nobody ever thinks about what their victims went through.

Wait wut?

They shoved it right up his peepee?

Well that proves the old traditional ways of punishment were better than this "enlightened and humane" way of doing it.
 
Alabama prisoner subjected to 'three hours of pain'
On 15 August 1994, after Hall had been out shopping with a friend, James Jr forced his way inside the friend's apartment, pulled a gun from his waistband and shot Hall three times, according to court documents.
Three shots, three hours.
 
Journalists expecting people to give a shit when this guy was minimum a murderer, and being right that people will fall for the 'human rights' nonsense makes me feel bad man.

The family defending the retard is worse though.

It’s a reasonable position that the state should not have the right to torture citizens, no matter how bad those people are. It’s also not constitutional.

I don’t particularly care that this guy suffered for 3 hours but the state shouldn’t have the right to inflict that without pushback.

Hanging (the type that breaks your neck) or firing squad would be much more effective but we want to pretend to be all advanced and scientific and so on.
 
Why is it fast to euthanize a pet but not a human? I had to euthanize my dog years ago (it was either that or he'd die painfully over hours), and it took seconds from injection to death. I wasn't at all prepared for how fast it was.
Because almost all death row prisoners tend to be IV drug users with fucked up veins and arteries, combined with the fact that the 'medical staff' inserting the IV lines and handling the equipment have no actual medical training and are not licensed medical professionals, as they're prohibited from taking any active part in such an act. Dogs on the other hand are put down by trained, licensed vets and don't usually have fucked up blood vessels

That said, why does anybody give a fuck about what happens to a death row prisoner during their execution? These people are being executed because they did horrifying things to people. So their victims get tortured, raped, die in agonizing pain but the pos responsible gets a last meal and everyone whines about any amount of pain he goes through? Theres a reason executions used to be as horrifying and painful as possible to serve as a deterrent and a punishment

This guy is exactly the kind of trash that should be made a very clear example of
 
She didn't get a fair death so why should he? A death completely free of suffering is not something granted to many murder victims, I have a hard time feeling bad for the killers.
 
Execution break downs should go back to traditional ones. Hanging for common criminals, Firing Squads for formerly honorable men, and Beheading for royalty. Unless you're French, then the Guillotine for everyone.
Probably not hanging, drawing and quartering tho. It was meant for a time when policing was slight, local and voluntary, say a posse comitatus, so punishment might need to be extraordinary.
 
Probably not hanging, drawing and quartering tho. It was meant for a time when policing was slight, local and voluntary, say a posse comitatus, so punishment might need to be extraordinary.
True, but I suppose we'd need something for the pedos.
 
i'm convinced that lethal injection is a scam perpetuated by the pharma industry

personally i think the guillotine is the best method of execution. maximum speed, maximum reliability, zero chance to fuck something up.
I used to believe that, but I remember reading this long-ass paper on how several drug companies tried to do literally everything to get out of being associated with it, to the point where several states had protracted shortages of death-drugs.
 
Just CO2 gas them
N is really the way. Dump some on the floor and they are dead before they knew what happened. I have a dewar and a box myself for dispatching ill and lame chickens I can't eat. CO2 causes the air starvation reaction and I find it cruel for animals and for innocent people wrongly executed by the state. I watched a documentary on noble gas poisoning and they asked at least one warden why it was not used as an execution method. He said because it was not brutal enough. I agree, if we 100% know the person did it without any shadow of a doubt. Like video and DNA evidence. Then they should be killed the same way they killed their victim.
 
Three hours of pain? That's all? This murdering sack of shit caused far more than three hours of pain to the children and relatives of the person he killed. And these people FORGAVE him for murdering their relative? Enough to puke a dog off a gutwagon.
 
How long has it been since we burned someone at the stake?
As horrible as it is, it's more spectacle than effective, I'm pretty sure you die pretty quick at the stake. Something about fire consuming oxygen causing you to pass out kinda thing. I'm a fan of crucifixion for Pedos personally, but a modern take. Use modern medical technology to prolong their suffering as long as possible. Just for the ones we're absolutely sure of. The Romans knew how to send a message.
 
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