martinfinnegan / Sarah Anne / "Sander Safe Space" - obsessive Bioshock fan with a delusional streak

[norrington]

@norrington, I can admire your tenacity in defending someone you think is worthy of it, but you're making a few broad assumptions about why we don't believe Sarah's whole story about her child abuse.

You're assuming Sarah is a reliable person. Regardless of the ex's claims, I'm more than a little skeptical of her vivid details of it. There are few reasons as to why she feels the need to bring it up constantly in benign Internet arguments. Her whole identity online is around this singular event and this one fictional character who she... is...

Why on earth should I believe someone who literally believes they're a fucking video game character? They're retarded enough to fight tooth and nail over a fictional identity, play pretend all day with video game characters and other autistic interests; Sarah is no doubt willing to play in fantasy land with weird Internet bullshit, and sob stories have been a trend since goddamn Xanga when it comes to getting attention.

Basically, we're assuming Sarah is a dumb attention whore, which most of her Internet history confirms.

I don't expect to convince everyone, of course. I'm also not looking to like, callout or shame anybody who doesn't believe their shit. Despite that, I don't doubt I've come across as being on the highest moral horse in all the land for long chunks of this thread (especially when I've gotten more tired or excessively frustrated and posted when I should have put the fucking computer down and gone outside for a bit; hindsight's 20:20). I don't doubt that's how I've come across at times, but really, I don't expect everyone to believe them any more than I expect everyone to believe reasonably-legit-sounding-but-lacking-concrete-proof rape allegations.

Nor do I think my believing their claims makes me a better person than anybody who doesn't. Short of concrete proof, shit like this is always a murky gray area, and in this case it's the internet so it's 10x murkier, and it's ultimately down to how you interpret her actions/behaviors/etc.

From my point of view, trauma like that just festering in the mind of a kid (whose ability to get professional help depends 100% on their parents) can have a lot of ill effects which I believe can manifest in:

1. escapism (e.g. via an alternate persona on tumblr to the point you identify more strongly with them than with your real life)
2. misplaced anger + short fuse
3. generally maladaptive behaviors + emotional immaturity
4. intense emotions/moodswings (which you could alternatively choose to view as just bullshit melodrama for sympathy points.)

Overall, though, when it comes down to it, it is just a matter of me following them for a long time, reading their personal posts from several years back (when they were more 'normal') and watching how they've gone from point A to point B firsthand, and believing them because of that. Because it was never just 'oh they said this and I believe them!' I roll my eyes as often as anyone at bullshit tumblr ploys for sympathy. It's the little things in between those big shitshow dramas or the over-the-top 'pity-me' type posts. It's how they spoke, how they behaved more generally, how they interacted with people who weren't picking fights with them by shoving incest in their face. It's the overall impression of them that just doesn't come across when you dissect a person into a highlight reel of their top one hundred most batshit moments. The big picture of them as a person is what makes me believe them, and I can't convey that here, so I can't fault anybody for still thinking I'm talking out of my ass.

TL;DR -- Even if you do believe they're nothing more than a dumb attention whore, those are a dime a dozen on tumblr. It doesn't make a good lolcow thread, though, and it wouldn't have here, either, if it hadn't been for two full-of-shit throwaway accounts coming in just to stir the pot any way they could until they got the thread big enough to make her panic and wipe everything, which I'm guessing was their goal from the start.

EDIT: In before anyone starts going 'why panic if she had nothing to hide,' I'd ask you to consider it from her point of view, assuming the ex-gf was a fake account for the sake of argument. (Why assume that? Because if the ex-gf comes out here and manages to legitimately verify their identity, I wouldn't be making this argument in the first place, I'd be reevaluating my levels of gullibility and taking a long hard look at myself for taking the side of somebody who did all the shit they say.)

Spoiler: hypothetical

From that perspective, at first it's the same shit they've seen before on r/TiA, and it dies down the same way that thread did, then suddenly comes roaring back to life three days later like Jesus on a coke binge, and before it can start to come close to dying down again, this bullshit account comes into the picture and gets 'verified' as her ex, who then accuses her of faking the child sexual abuse and rape claims.

Suddenly, she's looking at a pack of overzealous doxxers digging deeper and deeper as a way to fuck with someone they think deserves it, and who've built massive forums to other people who they've deemed worthy of such treatment. People potentially pulling up info on her parents and sending them this shit. Sending it to anywhere she put a job application in, sending it to her biological father. If you'll humor my claims as legit for the sake of this argument, the only thing she's hiding in that scenario is herself.

That's why I decided to do this. Because if it were me, and if I'm right about how I'm seeing this situation, I'd've been scared fucking shitless. For some people unfamiliar with this sort of lolcow/doxxing shit, they can never accurately gauge how far it can realistically go or what sort of danger they're in, and their mind goes to the worst-case-scenario they can dream up because who the fuck knows who these people have got on their side. Is it stupid, paranoid, gullible? Sure, maybe, but the safe thing isn't gonna be find-out-what-the-worst-they-could-do-is, it's fuck it, abort, abort, wipe everything.

 

[lesboslut69]

Teenage middle class white girls being racist when they're young enough to be that stupid and buy into their parents' general belief system isn't exactly news, is it? Anybody here grow up with casually racist/homophobic parents and break away from that kind of toxic thinking by 16 or younger? It's not impossible, but I wouldn't call it the norm, either.

It's funny because she's a hypocrite. Any of her tumblr groupies would be shocked to find that she was that "problematic."

Spoiler: This is what she thinks she is in her head

imagine it running towards u full speed with a pair of tits, and puss flying out between it legs

This is what Sarah idealizes, guys. To quote one of her Sander Safe Space posts, this guy appears in her head and strokes her hair while she is "always nude or clad in a satin robe."
I think if this fucker appeared in my bedroom, I'd take it as a sign to seek medical help.

From my point of view, trauma like that just festering in the mind of a kid (whose ability to get professional help depends 100% on their parents) can have a lot of ill effects which I believe can manifest in:

1. escapism (e.g. via an alternate persona on tumblr to the point you identify more strongly with them than with your real life)
2. misplaced anger + short fuse
3. generally maladaptive behaviors + emotional immaturity
4. intense emotions/moodswings (which you could alternatively choose to view as just bullshit melodrama for sympathy points.)

But she's not a kid. She's 21, despite her emotional immaturity. She should know better than to powerlevel every time she opens her mouth. That's what makes her threadworthy.

Edit: included norrington's comment

 

[Juscum]

1. escapism (e.g. via an alternate persona on tumblr to the point you identify more strongly with them than with your real life)
2. misplaced anger + short fuse
3. generally maladaptive behaviors + emotional immaturity
4. intense emotions/moodswings (which you could alternatively choose to view as just bullshit melodrama for sympathy points.)

She's a lolcow because this shit and her chimpouts happen to be really fucking funny. Like, even the fake rape claims aside, since they weren't confirmed fake when this thread began, you're admitting that her behavior is bizarre and irrational, and that's exactly the kind of thing these forums like. You just proved our point. This is why she has a thread.

 

[Putato]

@norrington You're basing all your arguments on the possibility that the person alleging to be the ex is faking, completely ignoring the alternative. KF isn't tumblr, and a lot of things are taken well salted. The only thing you have a shaky leg to stand on is that @Takotsubo5 isn't really who they say they are. An argument that is irrelevant to why Sarah has a thread in the first place.

 

[Melkor]

Jesus, one of my favorite threads devolved into a slap fight within 24 hours. That's got to be record-breaking.

I'm with the assumption that this norrington person is actually Sarah or Pagan at this point.

 

[Pancake]

This thread is giving me autism.

 

[norrington]

After that last post, I think I've said everything I could possibly say about this (and yeah, I do see the irony there, before you all jump on that golden opportunity for yet another uniquely witty, well-crafted wisecrack about my near-fatal levels of TL;DR), and would only be repeating myself from here on. I appreciate you guys responding to me like an actual user, and will reply briefly here as a show of good faith. After that, anybody who has any questions they want me specifically to respond to, hit me up in a conversation or whatever and I'll reply to you off the subforum.

@lesboslut69, yeah, a healthy, responsible adult should know better, and at 21 she should be one of those, but childhood trauma is known to stunt emotional development and growth at the time it happened on through the time it's properly addressed with the help of a therapist. Until then, somebody's emotional maturity levels grow in fucked up substandard ways. It doesn't excuse it, but it does, in my mind, make it seem way less completely absurd that a twenty-one year old would think no more of 'powerleveling' as a negative concept than a 14 year old might.

@Juscum, I'm reposting what I wrote a couple posts ago. You don't have to read the whole thing, just the first 2 paragraphs (from "So, Demorialiss..." to "...sign up and post the following,") and I think you'll see where I'm coming from about her not deserving to be a lolcow, or at least not deserving to have had this thread blow up the way it did.

@Putato, if you'll reread the latter half of my post (or all of it if you'd prefer, it's all more or less relevant for your question), you might not find my argument against them quite as shaky. Remember, I'm not arguing that they absolutely are not who they say they are, I'm saying that until they verify themselves properly, I'm treating them and everything they say as utter bullshit, and I think everybody else should, too).

Spoiler: my argument against takotsubo5

First, I'd like to restate why I think Takotsubo5 is bullshit as clearly as possible, and why I think it's very likely that they and the Demorialiss account are throwaways for the same person.



Takotsubo5's original 'verification' post ^ with info pulled directly from Demorialiss' post (quoted below)

So, Demorialiss claimed to be yet another friend of martinfinnegan's and remarked about how "surprised they were to see so many of her ex-friends here," when this account was made on the 13th (after the thread had died down for about three days) and hasn't posted anywhere but this thread, and hasn't been active since the 18th.

That, in addition to an anonymous OP makes me think this thread is, for the most part, a personal vendetta against an eccentric, eye-catching lolcow who likely wouldn't have merited more than an 8 page thread until this user revived it 3 days later. Also worth noting that martinfinnegan had yet to delete their blog by the time Demorialiss decided to sign up and post the following.



You can also see similar writing style between Demorialiss and Takotsubo5, as well as the fact that they're basically regurgitating the same claims in more (fictionalized) depth.

Now, I noticed the link sources in demorialiss' post have been edited to take you to a Naruto wiki. I'm pretty sure they originally linked to the deviantart pages for those two commissions, but don't quote me on that; it's irrelevant, because even if they didn't, here's how the would-be Takotsubo5 (assuming they're even different people) could have gotten the "kakuzu1221 and takotsubo5" urls from that post in 2 easy google searches:

1. Reverse image search of the two pieces of fanart at the top of their post bring up the original deviantart pages (here and here). Kakuzu1221 is listed on both pages; I'm fairly sure the post originally linked to those pages as well, but I'm not positive.
2. Their account has been deleted, but is archived (here) where you can easily spot "Takotsubo5" in the first post at the top of the page.

If you care enough to dig through what's archived on there, you'll find the seeds of some of Takotsubo's more authentic details easily visible. The rest can be explained by them being a former mutual who's still over a falling out (who else would bother to fake an account?)

 

[The Viking of Disapproval]

Even if you do believe they're nothing more than a dumb attention whore, those are a dime a dozen on tumblr. It doesn't make a good lolcow thread, though,

You signed up for the forums three days ago to tell the users (some who've been here for years) what constitutes a good lolcow thread? lol

 

[Meowthkip]

Nothing. I just didn't feel right leaving it as-is.

EDIT: Basically, did it on the off chance some lurker will doubt what would otherwise have been the final conclusion to this thread. That's enough; that plus the off-chance that it might make a user or two look more critically at new posters and would-be-lolcows coming in to stir shit in a thread (even if for no reason other than the opportunity to dox them more effectively and immediately than I only-kind-of-managed to here, more akin to how the MOTHEREARTHBOUND shit went down), then that's even better.

Yeah, but are you, yourself, getting anything out of it? Is this benefiting you in any way? Do you even think Sarah would be appreciative of this gesture?

 

[norrington]

Yeah, but are you, yourself, getting anything out of it? Is this benefiting you in any way? Do you even think Sarah would be appreciative of this gesture?

No, apart from something to distract myself from this dull-as-shit research I'm doing for a paper, I'm not getting anything out of it.

And I dunno, honestly. If they found this thread unnerving, or thought that this forum was intense and aggressive enough to attempt something more serious than what's been done here so far, I'd hope that the fact that it's died down/mostly devolved into vaguely insulting posts aimed at me* and the fact that takotsubo5 isn't really believable as their ex after my posts, have at least brought them some peace of mind.

On the flipside, as I've mentioned before, I don't imagine they'd appreciate somebody blowing this thread up like I have the past few days, getting it even more attention instead of letting it die. I also don't think they'd appreciate me adding even more information to this thread when it probably wouldn't have been found now that they'd deleted, even if I did it with all the best intentions.

If that second scenario is the case, I'd hope they believe that I didn't do it out of malice, and appreciate the fact that, regardless of my adding to the shitshow overall, it's pretty much dead and buried now (I hope, at least? But maybe I'm overestimating how much of an argument I actually made, here).

*EDIT: I just wanna be really clear, I'm not referring to your post or anything like that, I don't find your asking this stuff insulting at all. I'm not trying to be presumptuous, just wanna be really sure I'm not sounding like I'm trying to throw shade at you or something.

 

[SlothInAMilkCrate]

No, apart from something to distract myself from this dull-as-shit research I'm doing for a paper, I'm not getting anything out of it.

And I dunno, honestly. If they found this thread unnerving, or thought that this forum was intense and aggressive enough to attempt something more serious than what's been done here so far, I'd hope that the fact that it's died down/mostly devolved into vaguely insulting posts aimed at me* and the fact that takotsubo5 isn't really believable as their ex after my posts, have at least brought them some peace of mind.

On the flipside, as I've mentioned before, I don't imagine they'd appreciate somebody blowing this thread up like I have the past few days, getting it even more attention instead of letting it die. I also don't think they'd appreciate me adding even more information to this thread when it probably wouldn't have been found now that they'd deleted, even if I did it with all the best intentions.

If that second scenario is the case, I'd hope they believe that I didn't do it out of malice, and appreciate the fact that, regardless of my adding to the shitshow overall, it's pretty much dead and buried now (I hope, at least? But maybe I'm overestimating how much of an argument I actually made, here).

*EDIT: I just wanna be really clear, I'm not referring to your post or anything like that, I don't find your asking this stuff insulting at all. I'm not trying to be presumptuous, just wanna be really sure I'm not sounding like I'm trying to throw shade at you or something.

Wow... you're pretty pathetic if this is what you call entertaining.

 

[dykesquad]

I'm with the assumption that this norrington person is actually Sarah or Pagan at this point.

Every brain cell in my head is pleading with me to leave this thread alone. That said, I think norrington is Sarah.

• Pointed, obsessive questions to verify whether or not the ex was who she said she was. Reads like emotional attachment to me.
• The way norrington talks about Sarah doesn't make me think fuck-buddies--it makes me think "same goddamn person". Why? Most notably,

eccentric, eye-catching lolcow

Does this sound masturbatory to anyone else?

But really, I think the most damning reason is what everyone else has already said: who would give a shit besides Sarah? Who else would post obsessive, inflammatory comments in defense of a delusional liar with a Sander Cohen kink? Norrington's posts are nigh-constant, always in praise (not defense--praise) of Sarah, and most importantly of all, they're always autistic.

 

[norrington]

I've said this several times over the course of this thread, but just for you, @dykesquad, I'll say it again. I'm more than happy to verify that I'm not either of them by way of messaging a trusted impartial third party from my own tumblr, as well as posts showing that my current url is the same account as the old url I was using when martinfinnegan was at the url connorsegway, and then another post that shows my old URL + connorsegway interacting as mutuals (you know, because all the martinfinnegan posts have been deleted). If you give that much of a shit about proving yourself wrong on this, go find a moderator willing to message me privately and verify all this to satisfy your curiosity.

 

[The Viking of Disapproval]

I hate that this thread keeps getting derailed by walls of text and autism, but did anyone notice the thread in community watch that @norrington posted yesterday? They were talking about wanting to get on the off-topic boards earlier in the thread, so it looks like they're fishing for some positive rates. Kind of weird considering how they made an account to whiteknight in the first place.

I'm more than happy to verify that I'm not either of them by way of messaging a trusted impartial third party from my own tumblr,

Save everyone the trouble by verifying yourself! It'll be fun, and you'll finally be able to stop talking in circles. I doubt you're going to find that "impartial third party" anyway unless a mod decides to step in, though they're not always impartial to this kind of stuff either.

 

[Juscum]

Save everyone the trouble by verifying yourself! It'll be fun, and you'll finally be able to stop talking in circles. I doubt you're going to find that "impartial third party" anyway unless a mod decides to step in, though they're not always impartial to this kind of stuff either.

Make sure it's an ask, not tumblr messenger. I know you can send messages from hoarded URLs and side accounts. Also, be wary of canon BS1 URLs. I think @lesboslut69 mentioned Sarah having a pile of them, so messages from one of those (toastysplicer, babyjane, etc) could be Sarah herself.

 

[Helvetica Scenario]

If @norrington here is actually Sarah, she is at least doing sterling work at proving that, idiotic rape bullshit and fixation with the entirely imaginary Sander Cohen's doubly imaginary tits aside, Sarah genuinely is one of the most tedious motherfuckers imaginable. If that was actually the game plan, well done, consider your point well and truly proved.

Go finish your paper, @norrington.

 

[Meowthkip]

Save everyone the trouble by verifying yourself! It'll be fun, and you'll finally be able to stop talking in circles. I doubt you're going to find that "impartial third party" anyway unless a mod decides to step in, though they're not always impartial to this kind of stuff either.

I'm willing to entertain that @norrington isn't Sarah, but they'd have to show me something concrete, and they'd have to address my questions in a way that's clear and concise. Most of what I've gotten is superfluous drivel.

 

[lesboslut69]

It looks as though houdinisplicer, ladysmithsplicer, babyjanesplicer, toastysplicer, wadersplicer, crawlersplicer (maybe jackryan, I can't tell, since she's got everything on lockdown and that one is password protected too) are all tumblr urls that Sarah is currently sitting on. Will update if I see more.

Edit: added urls

 

[Unheard Bird]

New account..seems fishy.

 

[Takotsubo5]

Loool Okay I wanna say that yeaaah I really shouldn't have fought with norrington
I kinda let my emotions get the better of me and I legit thought/still think they are sarah lmao. So im sorry for ruining the thread basically

But uhhh yeah im not demorialis.
"Same typing style" idk what that even means?
but I did think demoriallis was sarah at first for a second but I did confirm that demorialis was someone I used to talk to alot

also Lol there's nothing about sarah on my new accounts guys
except for that one time she found me but other than that
im not even a kin special or anything its boring as fuck