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I didn't even mention the children's velcro shoes either. I would say it does matter, it's considerably worse if he did, but I'd agree that even...

Yeah i was thinking along these lines too, or maybe even more severe like she’ll say tom initiated the ageplay stuff, he was more into it than...

They do, at first. Then they get bored of their riches and look for other (degenerate) ways to feel that power. Either that, or they have that...