Let's pretend for one moment that he does die before the election, just for the funsies. What happens then? Will the nomination revert to option number 2, aka Bernie Sanders? Or will his running mate automatically replace him just the way Vice-President is supposted to step in after the Big Man in the White House chokes on a piece of matzo? Does he even have a running mate yet?
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- Dołączono
- 5 Lut 2020
What are your personal thoughts, as well as those who run your circle, of the optics of Biden and, even more so, that of Harris?
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- Dołączono
- 5 Cze 2019
I trust your assessment. I was just making a wry comment that, as you pointed out, the illusion still holds. That there hasn't been anything catastrophic so that we can move beyond and actually start solving problems.
- Dołączono
- 25 Lip 2016
This is Biden's first time meeting others since elected. Sure there's been video conferences and phone calls. But meeting him in person is an entirely different thing. If Putin shakes his hand and senses weakness, oh my God, it's over.
- Dołączono
- 19 Wrz 2018
Putin is absolutely savage when he senses weakness. Remember him bringing his large dog around Merkel (a woman that fears them?) Or giving Xinnie the Poo a jar of honey? He would tear Biden apart.
Also, there must have been a massive level of fuckery in Arizona for the DNC to want other states to not look that way.
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- 31 Sie 2020
- Dołączono
- 25 Lip 2016
Putin isn't stupid. Most dictators aren't, that's why they're the top dog. He's gotta see what everyone else sees. This meeting is going to be important, so many things are going to come out of Putin's impression of Joe. No doubt he'll tell everyone else what he saw too.
- Dołączono
- 6 Maj 2019
Oh, absolutely fucking horrid. Though some explanation of the explanation to come:
Right now politics in America are amazingly polarized, this means that you can split the entire country into five camps. These camps are Core Democrat/Republican, Leans Democrat/Republican, and Broadly Moderate. This bit is normal, but the polarisation comes in to play in that the number of Core voters is massively disproportionate to the number of Leans or Moderates. These voters, no matter what, are going to support their side.
With the broad groups established, we can look at the holy trinity of voting characteristics. Who is it, How Many, and How Likely? To keep a very, very lengthy topic somewhat short these are Who are the specific voting groups, how large of a group do they make up, and how likely are they to vote? You do this analysis for each broad camp of voters. A general trend is Republicans have smaller groups, but a much higher base of active voters whereas Democrats have a much wider base of groups but their voting rates are pretty shit.
Now, with a frame of references established, consider Biden (and Harris') optics. The border crisis? Well, that massively alienates a voting block that already has proven shaky in the form of Hispanics AND Progressives. Now, the latter isn't a terribly big loss since they tend to have low rates of active voters but the Hispanic vote is -painful- in a lot of tight Southern races. The series of fuckups likely costs them several Texas House seats and Arizona in general. Then we get to the flip flop on Israel and Palestine, not to mention the general flubbing of foreign diplomacy. Yet more depression of the Progressive vote (Which is now getting worrying because this nudges that vote from Not Terribly Big to Painful.) and most painfully... ensures a lot of damage to the Moderate vote.
The absolutely worst thing though is the lack of Student Relief. That one was.... look. There are certain things you don't -do- in politics. While "Politician says he'll give the world, but under-delivers" is memed to hell and back, you do still have to -look- like you are trying to deliver. Especially when its a -main campaign promise-. People remember these things, they remember failure better than they remember even your best success. Totally refusing student aid is a monumentally, horrifically stupid idea for a fuck ton of reasons and unless they find a way to federally enshrine the MOST stringent voter fuckery it will be -catastrophic-.
The Student vote is, by far, bar none, without any fucking contender even vaguely -close-, the biggest voting block for Democrats. It's also one of the spottiest. And Biden just very openly stabbed that entire faction in the back -hard-. Back in my neck of the woods, that announcement was met with cries of "That can't be serious, that would be suicide". SO uhm, yah. There is no recovery from that. It's the single most insane, stupid, and suicidal decision I have ever seen any politician do ever.
With the broad groups established, we can look at the holy trinity of voting characteristics. Who is it, How Many, and How Likely? To keep a very, very lengthy topic somewhat short these are Who are the specific voting groups, how large of a group do they make up, and how likely are they to vote? You do this analysis for each broad camp of voters. A general trend is Republicans have smaller groups, but a much higher base of active voters whereas Democrats have a much wider base of groups but their voting rates are pretty shit.
Now, with a frame of references established, consider Biden (and Harris') optics. The border crisis? Well, that massively alienates a voting block that already has proven shaky in the form of Hispanics AND Progressives. Now, the latter isn't a terribly big loss since they tend to have low rates of active voters but the Hispanic vote is -painful- in a lot of tight Southern races. The series of fuckups likely costs them several Texas House seats and Arizona in general. Then we get to the flip flop on Israel and Palestine, not to mention the general flubbing of foreign diplomacy. Yet more depression of the Progressive vote (Which is now getting worrying because this nudges that vote from Not Terribly Big to Painful.) and most painfully... ensures a lot of damage to the Moderate vote.
The absolutely worst thing though is the lack of Student Relief. That one was.... look. There are certain things you don't -do- in politics. While "Politician says he'll give the world, but under-delivers" is memed to hell and back, you do still have to -look- like you are trying to deliver. Especially when its a -main campaign promise-. People remember these things, they remember failure better than they remember even your best success. Totally refusing student aid is a monumentally, horrifically stupid idea for a fuck ton of reasons and unless they find a way to federally enshrine the MOST stringent voter fuckery it will be -catastrophic-.
The Student vote is, by far, bar none, without any fucking contender even vaguely -close-, the biggest voting block for Democrats. It's also one of the spottiest. And Biden just very openly stabbed that entire faction in the back -hard-. Back in my neck of the woods, that announcement was met with cries of "That can't be serious, that would be suicide". SO uhm, yah. There is no recovery from that. It's the single most insane, stupid, and suicidal decision I have ever seen any politician do ever.
- Dołączono
- 24 Lut 2019
No one ever thought Harris was in charge, she was just the people in charge's preferred marionette. Now that have an embarrassing, falling apart marionette that they maybe control about as much.(sorry this was an old quote I forgot about)
January 7th was when late and never became synonymous. This is about sheltering from the fallout and saving their political careers. Expect them to forget everything they learned if Trump needs to lose again in 2024.
- Dołączono
- 13 Lut 2019
Also conversely the most economically sound and sober decision they've made so far. Quite a conundrum they've put themselves into, yeah?
- Dołączono
- 18 Gru 2019
The people in charge of biden... man I wouldn't want to be in their fucking shoes. They are getting fucked three ways to Sunday.
First there are the audits, which they are trying to desperately play down and threaten to an almost impotent degree. Then there's Biden almost shitting himself every-time he speaks, which necessitates constant watch and supervision, who anyone with a brain can see he's steadily getting worse and worse. Then there's the matter of succession, which is completely fucked because they picked literally the worst possible person to be VP. A bitch so unlikable they had to practically force her though for some dumbass reason, and you can see they are starting to regret that honeymoon.
Im beginning to see the wheels come off. These people were so obsessed with getting trump out and securing power they didn't stop to think of the long term consequences. Now it's biting them in the ass hard. You see it with the haphazard use of the national guard, the half assed adoption of trump's policy's, and all the constant scandals they have to bust their asses to avoid and justify.
Trump wasn't supposed to concede, he was supposed to fight and be arrested for it. I will maintain that was the one thing they never expected to fuck up. It was the crown jewel in their plans. without that crucial piece, their authority is steadily loosing steam and they dont have an excuse to seize unlimited power.
- Dołączono
- 6 Maj 2019
I have a more complicated view of debt relief than "Debt relief bad because of lazy bums". The problem at its root is that we, as a culture, pushed the idea of "You NEED a degree to get anywhere" so hard that it inevitably would result in a lot of people flooding degrees that can pay well... but now is vastly oversaturated with potential workers. A lot of the people suffering have degrees that can be used to pay off the debt.... but have absolutely no chance of gaining employment due to over-saturation.
- Dołączono
- 13 Lut 2019
I stand by my belief that mass debt relief is a big glowing sign with blaring alarms that screech "HOLY FUCK WE DON'T HAVE OUR SHIT TOGETHER IN THE SLIGHTEST SENSE OF THE SAYING, PLEASE PARK YOUR MONEY LITERALLY ANYWHERE ELSE." to the rest of the global market. But I do agree with your general argument that younger generations were sold a lie and have been taken advantage of by scumfuck bankers and university admins that have seized upon the opportunity to create a permanent serf class of indebted, heavily indoctrinated wage slaves. The interesting times are only just beginning imo, unfortunately.
- Dołączono
- 19 Gru 2019
This is what they have planned, but getting the Diversity Hire re-elected is going to take election "fortification" far in excess of what happened in 2020, and it's not at all guaranteed that the Dems will be able to do that, especially with the AZ audit attracting attention from republican politicians from other states now.
- Dołączono
- 6 Maj 2019
I generally agree with you honestly. Hence why it's complicated. It's not a great idea, but neither was what started it. It's a fucked situation with no clear good answer.
- Dołączono
- 6 Maj 2019
Which is why they really, REALLY hate Manchin and Sinema right now
- Dołączono
- 18 Gru 2019
I pity the inevitable fool who thought to cheat the system by getting in debt.
- Dołączono
- 17 Lip 2019
tfw you hate your job so much, you hate literal politics that come with being a politician.
What did they think those two will do as senators from political "volatile" states? Still, go ahead. Vote Manchin out of West Virginia. Better yet, primary him, and see what happens.
- Dołączono
- 30 Mar 2020
They fucked up harder than that...They attempted to impeach Trump for Jan 6, possibly(definitely) unconstitutionally while Biden and Kamala and many other sitting DNC chumps including Pelosi and Waters incited actual violence. If the GOP regains control in 2022 and finds their balls they have all the precedent in the world to start removing DNC members from their offices.
Edit to complete my thought:
If the DNC refuses to go along with those removals they have to explain, through the MSM which is weakened, why they are okay with the burning of cities. Psaki can not spin that well.
That is why they are going so hard against the audits...they are going to have to cheat to win.
The economy is recovering poorly.
Jobs are empty and services are bad because of the DNC push to pay people more to not work than they can earn.
Gas is up.
Inflation is up.
They are just fucked. Their only hope is convincing people to eat bugs and admit they are evil racists and to take the communist dick.
Just such a colossal fuck up and I actually fear the swing that is very possibly in the works.
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- Dołączono
- 17 Gru 2019
I think they would have been in a better place right now if they had just conceded 2020 to Trump, like I initially thought they were going to. Before the coof began, the Democrat field was a complete shitshow, an overcrowded field with no standout candidates and the media desperately trying to find a different star every week. None of them could compare to Trump's natural charisma and decent record up to that point; despite the constant barrage of attacks, his approval remained pretty constant. Uncle Boiney won the first few primaries, but the DNC were never going to let him actually run, and only the most naive Bernie Bros still think otherwise. Through the most obvious coordinated game of politics possible, all the other corporate Dems backed out at the same time to give Biden their votes, while Fauxcahontas stayed in to split the progressive vote and fuck over Bernie. Biden wasn't their first choice, but they'd rather have someone they can control than a good candidate.
Then the coof happened, and like ol' Rahm Emanuel said, "never let a good crisis go to waste." Why wait another four years to return to power when they can take advantage of the worst pandemic in history (not even close)? Their sympathizers at the CDC recommended lockdowns and other extreme measures that killed local economies, then blamed Trump for it as the damage got worse. They shot Trump's ability to get his message out in the knees, banning his campaign rallies as "superspreader events." Blue states enacted "election enhancement reforms," backed by billions of dollars from Zuckerberg and others that enabled ballot harvesting on a wide scale, but only in Democrat areas, funnily enough.
The results were an election that looked shady as fuck the day of, and only got worse as time went on. More people now believe that there was election fuckery going on, with the biggest swing being Independent voters, as per that poll upthread. Biden isn't seen as a legitimate president by a lot of people, even worldwide (shoutout to those Guatemalan protestors with their "Trump Won" banners), and the constant sense of paranoia coming from Washington about the common man speaks volumes. These do not feel like the actions of a government that believes it has a mandate from the people to rule.
If, on the other hand, they'd given up and handed Trump the election, he'd be the one responsible for cleaning up the messes that Biden's dealing with now. While he probably wouldn't have as serious a border crisis to deal with since that was being handled pretty well overall, the continued issues of reopening the economy post-coof would be a challenge. Nobody really wants to be the one holding the bag if the economy falls through, and if that happened under Trump's watch, Republicans would be in the same state as they were in the Hoover days. Democrats could have swept in in 2024 under the guise of making sure that those damn Republicans never fucked up the economy again (never mind it was mostly their fault in the first place).
But you're right, they never expected Trump to go peacefully, and now they're lost as to what to do.
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