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Kurze Katze powiedział(a):
dumbass tranny doesnt understand transhumanism news at 11 rofl


I understand where you were coming from, but even with the older "saner" trans crowd its very rarely hormones. Its mental illness and trauma. The desperate need to be Not Yourself anymore can cause dysphoria which, with the right social contagion, can lead to seeing going transgender as the best way to be a new person detached from the trauma of your old self. I sympathize with these people so long as they arent actively spouting rhetoric that actively harms other groups (women, children, gays). Or its fetishism but they know to stick to their own circles and not to bother normal folks with it.

Theres a difference between judging an individual and a toxic community/culture they might have ended up in. Sure, the folks posted in here are lolcow as fuck but thats visibility bias in action. You dont see the saner troons posting dumb shit because they realize their identity is more than their just fucking gender presentation.
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I would also like to add something for the people who claim there are OK troons:

1. How well do you know this person? How deeply do you interact? Do they have a job and working social and fa,ily relationships?

I have found in 20+ years with these people that even with the most "sane" appearing ones there is still something off. Because a normal healthy human being doesn't follow trans ideology. Press into those sane troons. Maybe dig a little deeper into their online presence. You will find the fetishes and the gender euphoria hidden there. Many of them have learned that they need to hide these tendencies. But I bet every one of them has stolen panties and has secret feminization fantasies.

Its when those "sane" ones turn on you that is really mind boggling. And a large part about why i never turn my back on anyone who claims trans id.
 
Cr1ms0n_&_C10v3r powiedział(a):
I'm not sure and I can't speak for the straight girls doing this, but I guess it's related to the recent (past 5-10 years) normalisation of what essentially is porn stereotypes as "femininity". Liberal feminism has sold girls the lie that selling your body as a product for men's entertainment is empowering. Risking your health and safety by sleeping with many men casually is empowering. Every individual choice is EmPoWeRiNg, everything you do is politicised. If you don't want to get choked during sex you're a prude. Yaaas kween! Boss bitch! Etc.
I have never seen so many girls as young as 12 and 13 wearing drag queen style makeup as a daily look, and too afraid to leave the house without it. I've never seen so many girls think it's a great idea to sell their bodies to crusty coomers upon reaching 18. I've never seen such retarded, porn inspired beauty standards amongst 12-20 year olds. A lot of this is driven by consumerism and mainstreaming of porn. I am not slutshaming, it's not a matter of morality but wellbeing, and these are children/teens we're talking about.

It is only my opinion, but I think the lack of belonging and confusion many girls might feel during their teen years is encouraging this increase in FTM troons. If you can't fit in with or go with these social pressures, or become convinced you're special and different for not being girly (very common), not to mention the overlap with things like autism, depression and eating disorders, it's easy to get groomed into this stuff.
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Completely agreed. I started detrooning a few months ago and have been reflecting a lot on what lead to me to troon out to begin with. I realized a lot of it just had to do with what modern feminism presented to my gender-nonconforming teen self as the acceptable ways of being a female, which was made much worse by going to a high school in a university town that was a hotbed of extremely priveliged, extremely liberal shithead kids of university professors who thought you were a prude and simply suffering from "internalized misogyny" if you weren't doing anal by age 14 and walking around in nothing but booty shorts and a pushup bra with a goddamn circus tent's worth of clown makeup caked on your face.

Girls, especially gender-nonconforming, awkward and lonely ones, in such environments these days often have three options for finding a social group in which to make friends:

1) Give in and act and dress like a braindead caricature of a bimbo and then belittle other girls for not changing everything about themselves for the sake of vampirically feeding off as much male / social media attention as possible like your life depends on it. Don't forget to somehow justify all this in the name of feminism without actually caring about feminism beyond being able to wield it for delicious oppression points.

2) Actually become invested in feminism but be an absolute obnoxious, elitist cunt about it. Instead of showing of your tits, show off how INTELLECKSCHUAL you are. Dismiss any girl who doesn't equate saying "you guys" to female genocide as a self-hating victim of patriarchy who is clearly beneath you. Also all women are victims and that's never going to change. Accept your role as a forever victim, you victim.

3) Join the less popular but at least on the surface much more friendly, nonjudgemental and accepting queer kids, many of whom will have already started to troon out or soon will be. Start believing the reason you weren't popular and didn't have many friends before was because you weren't being your troo self. Reject being female entirely and join the ROGD gang. Ignore as best as you can the batshit drama that happens in your newfound troon gang because at least they aren't brutally elitist.

I believe experiences like this are also why so many trans people have fallen head-over-heals for communism. They feel rejected by a social hierarchy where they didn't make the cut for their own birth sex.

It's so ironic to me how much third-wave feminism has just lead to so many young girls hating themselves and rejecting womanhood instead of learning to be comfortable as the women they are. Feminism didn't empower me, it taught me that being raped and abused or degraded and reduced to your perceived utility as a walking sex doll is an inescapable and all-encompassing part of the female experience, and if you think for a second that it's not or that you can empower yourself to get away from those things, you're still somehow a victim. Are radfems really that surprised that young girls are fleeing from femaleness when they've spent over a decade telling Western women that being a woman is the worst fate imaginable, even when things start to get better?

Edit: Sorry, didn't realize how much I was sperging out. I'll put a spoiler in when I'm not on my phone.
 
Fat Tits of Redemption powiedział(a):
It's so ironic to me how much third-wave feminism has just lead to so many young girls hating themselves and rejecting womanhood instead of learning to be comfortable as the women they are. Feminism didn't empower me, it taught me that being raped and abused or degraded and reduced to your perceived utility as a walking sex doll is an inescapable and all-encompassing part of the female experience, and if you think for a second that it's not or that you can empower yourself to get away from those things, you're still somehow a victim. Are radfems really that surprised that young girls are fleeing from femaleness when they've spent over a decade telling Western women that being a woman is the worst fate imaginable, even when things start to get better?
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You sound like those men who also blame feminists for why they hate being men. Being a woman is great, but you do have to think for yourself, like all people, male and female. Stop blaming other women for why you trooned out while giving the trans cult who fooled you into thinking it was a good idea a free pass. And take some personal responsibility
 
Fat Tits of Redemption powiedział(a):
Completely agreed. I started detrooning a few months ago and have been reflecting a lot on what lead to me to troon out to begin with. I realized a lot of it just had to do with what modern feminism presented to my gender-nonconforming teen self as the acceptable ways of being a female, which was made much worse by going to a high school in a university town that was a hotbed of extremely priveliged, extremely liberal shithead kids of university professors who thought you were a prude and simply suffering from "internalized misogyny" if you weren't doing anal by age 14 and walking around in nothing but booty shorts and a pushup bra with a goddamn circus tent's worth of clown makeup caked on your face.

Girls, especially gender-nonconforming, awkward and lonely ones, in such environments these days often have three options for finding a social group in which to make friends:

1) Give in and act and dress like a braindead caricature of a bimbo and then belittle other girls for not changing everything about themselves for the sake of vampirically feeding off as much male / social media attention as possible like your life depends on it. Don't forget to somehow justify all this in the name of feminism without actually caring about feminism beyond being able to wield it for delicious oppression points.

2) Actually become invested in feminism but be an absolute obnoxious, elitist cunt about it. Instead of showing of your tits, show off how INTELLECKSCHUAL you are. Dismiss any girl who doesn't equate saying "you guys" to female genocide as a self-hating victim of patriarchy who is clearly beneath you. Also all women are victims and that's never going to change. Accept your role as a forever victim, you victim.

3) Join the less popular but at least on the surface much more friendly, nonjudgemental and accepting queer kids, many of whom will have already started to troon out or soon will be. Start believing the reason you weren't popular and didn't have many friends before was because you weren't being your troo self. Reject being female entirely and join the ROGD gang. Ignore as best as you can the batshit drama that happens in your newfound troon gang because at least they aren't brutally elitist.

I believe experiences like this are also why so many trans people have fallen head-over-heals for communism. They feel rejected by a social hierarchy where they didn't make the cut for their own birth sex.

It's so ironic to me how much third-wave feminism has just lead to so many young girls hating themselves and rejecting womanhood instead of learning to be comfortable as the women they are. Feminism didn't empower me, it taught me that being raped and abused or degraded and reduced to your perceived utility as a walking sex doll is an inescapable and all-encompassing part of the female experience, and if you think for a second that it's not or that you can empower yourself to get away from those things, you're still somehow a victim. Are radfems really that surprised that young girls are fleeing from femaleness when they've spent over a decade telling Western women that being a woman is the worst fate imaginable, even when things start to get better?

Edit: Sorry, didn't realize how much I was sperging out. I'll put a spoiler in when I'm not on my phone.
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poggers powiedział(a):
You sound like those men who also blame feminists for why they hate being men. Being a woman is great, but you do have to think for yourself, like all people, male and female. Stop blaming other women for why you trooned out while giving the trans cult who fooled you into thinking it was a good idea a free pass. And take some personal responsibility
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You don't need to be a feminist to have respect for yourself and your worth as a person. Social movements are always changing, you need a much more stable sense of self than that. Women in general need better self esteem and more confidence in saying no. There is no one thing to blame for this phenomenon but there are causes nonetheless. Liberal pop feminism is just a small aspect of it.
Edit: to be clear I'm not an anti-feminist and feminists are not responsible for the troon menace.
 
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poggers powiedział(a):
You sound like those men who also blame feminists for why they hate being men. Being a woman is great, but you do have to think for yourself, like all people, male and female. Stop blaming other women for why you trooned out while giving the trans cult who fooled you into thinking it was a good idea a free pass. And take some personal responsibility
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I'm certainly not blaming other women, or feminism as a whole, or even dismissing my own responsibility. I'm only using exaggerations to explain why I think certain misuses of feminism have contributed to so many teen girls trooning out. Sorry if my attempts at mild humor failed and just came off as aggro, but I don't think pointing out that social trends shape people's behavior is the same as dismissing my own responsibility. Of course everyone is ultimately responsible for their own behavior, but legions of children didn't start thinking they were trans for no reason either.

I also think my high school was a particularly exceptional case where these trends were deeply exaggerated, but I think they're indicative of the kinds of social pressures many teen girls have been going through in this past decade.
 
Cr1ms0n_&_C10v3r powiedział(a):
There is no one thing to blame for this phenomenon but there are causes nonetheless. Liberal pop feminism is just a small aspect of it.
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I guess I have no sympathy for anyone over the age of 13 who decided to troon out, even less when they fall back on the "its because all the women I knew were bimbos or elitists cunts." Or maybe, you were just stupid

ETA: because you elaborated further, I will add I'm happy for you that you de-trooned and good luck
 
Fat Tits of Redemption powiedział(a):
3) Join the less popular but at least on the surface much more friendly, nonjudgemental and accepting queer kids, many of whom will have already started to troon out or soon will be. Start believing the reason you weren't popular and didn't have many friends before was because you weren't being your troo self. Reject being female entirely and join the ROGD gang. Ignore as best as you can the batshit drama that happens in your newfound troon gang because at least they aren't brutally elitist.
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This sounds tedious.

Back in my day we just drank Boone's Farm, smoked a lot of weed and listened to Nirvana. I think you kids should try that out instead.
 
poggers powiedział(a):
I guess I have no sympathy for anyone over the age of 13 who decided to troon out, even less when they fall back on the "its because all the women I knew were bimbos or elitists cunts." Or maybe, you were just stupid
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I was 15 and there was a lot else going on that contributed, including being raped by my mother's boyfriend. I'm not talking about those other things here because I was specifically commenting on ways I've observed the hypersexualization of young girls contribute to the ROGD phenomenon.

I don't actually think of the girls I knew in high school as "bimbos" and "cunts," (although I do think that adult role models who portray themselves that way have failed a lot of teen girls who look up to them). Again, just using colorful language for exaggeration.

If anyone is actually a victim, it's the girls who internalized that hypersexualization. I've turned out pretty well, all things considered, and I still love and hang out with many of the people I knew in high school, including the trooners. I don't blame them or society or mommy and daddy or any of that bs, I just want to further discussion of how the transgender phenomenom came to be so that fewer young people will make way worse mistakes than the ones I made.
 
Fat Tits of Redemption powiedział(a):
Completely agreed. I started detrooning a few months ago and have been reflecting a lot on what lead to me to troon out to begin with. I realized a lot of it just had to do with what modern feminism presented to my gender-nonconforming teen self as the acceptable ways of being a female, which was made much worse by going to a high school in a university town that was a hotbed of extremely priveliged, extremely liberal shithead kids of university professors who thought you were a prude and simply suffering from "internalized misogyny" if you weren't doing anal by age 14 and walking around in nothing but booty shorts and a pushup bra with a goddamn circus tent's worth of clown makeup caked on your face.

Girls, especially gender-nonconforming, awkward and lonely ones, in such environments these days often have three options for finding a social group in which to make friends:

1) Give in and act and dress like a braindead caricature of a bimbo and then belittle other girls for not changing everything about themselves for the sake of vampirically feeding off as much male / social media attention as possible like your life depends on it. Don't forget to somehow justify all this in the name of feminism without actually caring about feminism beyond being able to wield it for delicious oppression points.

2) Actually become invested in feminism but be an absolute obnoxious, elitist cunt about it. Instead of showing of your tits, show off how INTELLECKSCHUAL you are. Dismiss any girl who doesn't equate saying "you guys" to female genocide as a self-hating victim of patriarchy who is clearly beneath you. Also all women are victims and that's never going to change. Accept your role as a forever victim, you victim.

3) Join the less popular but at least on the surface much more friendly, nonjudgemental and accepting queer kids, many of whom will have already started to troon out or soon will be. Start believing the reason you weren't popular and didn't have many friends before was because you weren't being your troo self. Reject being female entirely and join the ROGD gang. Ignore as best as you can the batshit drama that happens in your newfound troon gang because at least they aren't brutally elitist.

I believe experiences like this are also why so many trans people have fallen head-over-heals for communism. They feel rejected by a social hierarchy where they didn't make the cut for their own birth sex.

It's so ironic to me how much third-wave feminism has just lead to so many young girls hating themselves and rejecting womanhood instead of learning to be comfortable as the women they are. Feminism didn't empower me, it taught me that being raped and abused or degraded and reduced to your perceived utility as a walking sex doll is an inescapable and all-encompassing part of the female experience, and if you think for a second that it's not or that you can empower yourself to get away from those things, you're still somehow a victim. Are radfems really that surprised that young girls are fleeing from femaleness when they've spent over a decade telling Western women that being a woman is the worst fate imaginable, even when things start to get better?

Edit: Sorry, didn't realize how much I was sperging out. I'll put a spoiler in when I'm not on my phone.
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This is not meant to discount your personal experiences, but I’m surprised it was the professors’ kids doing this. In my school they were the girls who didn’t wear makeup and wore Birkenstocks all the time, because their mothers were all good second wave types. I associate the super hyper feminine look with the children of the lower middle class and under, because the moms push it on them because they think their daughters will have to attract a man to be financially secure. It’s why I’m surprised that it’s mostly the daughters of graduate educated liberal parents doing this, because at least where I’m from they’re way, way more likely to know adult women who aren’t super feminine.
 
Fat Tits of Redemption powiedział(a):
I was 15 and there was a lot else going on that contributed, including being raped by my mother's boyfriend. I'm not talking about those other things here because I was specifically commenting on ways I've observed the hypersexualization of young girls contribute to the ROGD phenomenon.

I don't actually think of the girls I knew in high school as "bimbos" and "cunts," (although I do think that adult role models who portray themselves that way have failed a lot of teen girls who look up to them). Again, just using colorful language for exaggeration.

If anyone is actually a victim, it's the girls who internalized that hypersexualization. I've turned out pretty well, all things considered, and I still love and hang out with many of the people I knew in high school, including the trooners. I don't blame them or society or mommy and daddy or any of that bs, I just want to further discussion of how the transgender phenomenom came to be so that fewer young people will make way worse mistakes than the ones I made.
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I agree hypersexualization of women contributes to the trans phenomenom. I'm sorry you were raped. So why do you not blame porn, or predatory men, or misogynists who expect women to be bimbos, as any contributing factors? You go straight to blaming feminism and women as the cause. I've said on here before that one thing FTMs and MTFs have in common is that they hate women. Its kinda tiring
 
Crunchy Leaf powiedział(a):
This is not meant to discount your personal experiences, but I’m surprised it was the professors’ kids doing this. In my school they were the girls who didn’t wear makeup and wore Birkenstocks all the time, because their mothers were all good second wave types. I associate the super hyper feminine look with the children of the lower middle class and under, because the moms push it on them because they think their daughters will have to attract a man to be financially secure. It’s why I’m surprised that it’s mostly the daughters of graduate educated liberal parents doing this, because at least where I’m from they’re way, way more likely to know adult women who aren’t super feminine.
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they dont do it because it's how they are themselves, they do it because it's part of current year progressive dogma, that's basically it

it hasn't been around for very long in this extreme form, hence why it probably was different when you went to school yourself. all these "sex work is real work" "porn is empowering women" "slut pride" ideas were rather small, they only really started gaining traction around ~2010 if i recall correctly

poggers powiedział(a):
I agree hypersexualization of women contributes to the trans phenomenom. I'm sorry you were raped. So why do you not blame porn, or predatory men, or misogynists who expect women to be bimbos, as any contributing factors? You go straight to blaming feminism and women as the cause. I've said on here before that one thing FTMs and MTFs have in common is that they hate women. Its kinda tiring
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the drive towards more sexualized behavior among women usually isn't pushed and perpetuated by men but by women
 
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lol

I know that talking about "pipelines" is kind of a shitlib thing, but I've been spending a lot of time thinking about how quickly these modern leftoid types transition from relativism to totalitarianism.

It starts with all this fluffy bullshit -- the idea that men can "become" women, mixed with the typical anarkiddie nonsense (no gods no masters, etc). But then there's the realization that these ideas are incredibly far removed from natural, organic, and "normal" and thus can't be propagated in the absence of mass institutional backing (if not outright violence). Thus begins the threats, the demands, the censorship, the advocacy for "woke" statism and corporatism.

There's a reason why people are frightened of "anti-fascists." It's not just because their ideas are shitty -- it's because we know that underneath their slogans and "progressive" veneer they're brutally vengeful and authoritarian.

And "reshaping humanity" is how you end up with 2 million dead Cambodians. And so on.
 
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