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A movement that fights against any research or accurate reporting on any issues concerning troonery will continue to not be listened to when it feebly attempts to put forth tidbits of “research,” because it cannot be trusted.

It hides the numbers of troons in prison with women and it hides the violence they inflict on those women, it hides troon sex crimes by listing them as female crimes, it hides child molesters within its ranks as well as other rapists, it refuses to address why trans women commit violent sex crimes at twice the rate of other men, it demands no one notice the 3000% increase in tweenage girls trooning out, it violates ALL protocol advised by professionals wrt discussing suicide to the point that kids trooning out receive a SCRIPT from adult troons telling them they’re supposed to feel suicidal if they don’t get their way and that they should tell their parents that they‘ll kill themselves, it threatens lesbians and gays with expulsion and destruction if they refuse to have sex with troons, it defends threats of sexual violence and cannibalism as a natural response to a troon being turned down for sex, it ignores and punishes whistleblowers at its own clinics, it tries to destroy anyone who desists or detransitions, it demonizes even the mildest gentlest suggestions that perhaps ANY of this might be good to discuss, it attempts to *eradicate* ANY researcher or academic with ANY interest in interrogating any of its unfounded and insane claims, and it suppresses *via threats of violence and deprivation of livelihood* ANYONE who even breathes a thought about crossing it. And it wants us to PAY FOR IT.

And then what does it do? Denies it did any of that. Gaslights, threatens. Evil fucks.

No one trusts it. No one can. It has made the decision to be the enemy of reason, science, and civility. I will never believe a single claim or hilarious bit of research any troon or troon apologist puts forth because *I know they operate from a position of lies, threats, intimidation, emotional blackmail, and gaslighting at all times* for the benefit of the *absolute worst male humans on the planet*,

Trust no troon, trust no troon apologist. It is a bad community dedicated to bad faith and bad projects. At this point it simply needs containment while the rest of society decides what to do about them - without their input, which is neither necessary nor useful.
This is such a good response to the troon "science". Yeah, quote whatever studies you want, kiwi's just report from the field. I doubt many folks out there understand the troons as well as we do at this point.

I actually like when a troon joins the thread. It's always amusing to get a glimpse into their twisted, borderline retarded minds. "durrr, let's just avoid reality at all costs..." yeah, we'll see how well that works out for you, half-wit.
 
Obviously, this little asshat has never learned anything in college because the first thing they teach you in research classes is that you need a large pool of participants or information for a study. Obviously, this person has never heard about critical appraisal. With such a small pool of information, I wouldn't be surprised that the researchers are just cherry-picking troons.


Chris Crocker trooned out? How did I miss this? There are really going to be zero fem gay men left and zero butches left alive. (And I fucking hate "Mey Rude" the straight man posing as a lesbian who wrote that.)

edit: I bet if Chris and fem gay men knew that Alexis Arquette detransitioned, it would have stopped some from going through with it. They don't just hide detrans stories because it destroys their narrative-- it redpills some of their own.
Nigga, you can't do jack shit with 41 dollars unless you go to Thailand, but then both your face and your genitals come back looking like ET.

PP phone home!

I don't know what results he's looking for looking like this. I mean, Jazz Jenning is the best you're going to get and he still looks like a very butch corrections officer.

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How much dysphoria can you have when doing this?

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The whole argument over what people can be attracted to is beside the point. I can be attracted to a picture of someone in a magazine and have no interest in dating them because of their personality or lifestyle.
Exactly, there are plenty of male models (or regular guys I've seen in passing who could be male models) that I can recognize are objectively good-looking but who don't emotionally or sexually appeal to me at all. You can find someone aesthetically pleasing without having any interest in fucking them, and even if you are interested in fucking them that can change in an instant for any number of reasons. If by some miracle an FtM "passed" flawlessly outside of her genitals and I started to fall for her, the moment I discovered she wasn't actually male my interest would evaporate--and it would be the same if I discovered an actual man I was dating had purposely sterilized himself. I'm straight and am only interested in men (who look like men) I could theoretically have biological children with--it doesn't get any more natural than that.
 
Here's a horrifying read about murderers who trooned out in prison,


I don't know if this is evidence of how demented trannies are, or evidence of how violent psychopaths take advantage of troonery to "escape" responsibility for their crimes... either way its fucked up.

Quote from a forensic psychologist:
"When a person feels trapped in a male body, they can be angry, nasty and aggressive and once they achieve their gender transformation, they experience relief with their new identity.
The person can often reject entirely their former self, the person they once was, so as to avoid that violent period of their lives.
They will form completely new associations, new friends, a new name and find a new, more acceptable environment to live in."
 
The person can often reject entirely their former self, the person they once was, so as to avoid that violent period of their lives.
They will form completely new associations, new friends, a new name and find a new, more acceptable environment to live in."
lol, no. They'll still be the same shitty person, just a shitty person who'll pretend that every shitty thing they did in the past didn't happen. Every new shitty thing they get called out on is because of "transphobia" and they'll just refuse to take responsibility for anything they've ever done and will do. Didn't Caitlyn Jenner teach people that it's just really same ole' Bruce, just in a dress?
 
Here's a horrifying read about murderers who trooned out in prison,


I don't know if this is evidence of how demented trannies are, or evidence of how violent psychopaths take advantage of troonery to "escape" responsibility for their crimes... either way its fucked up.

Quote from a forensic psychologist:
"When a person feels trapped in a male body, they can be angry, nasty and aggressive and once they achieve their gender transformation, they experience relief with their new identity.
The person can often reject entirely their former self, the person they once was, so as to avoid that violent period of their lives.
They will form completely new associations, new friends, a new name and find a new, more acceptable environment to live in."
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That's just terrible.
 
Valid... how? They never explain how any of their shit makes any sense whatsoever.
Now image being a teacher in a class of 30, where a third of the class has random object words, pokemon characters or sounds in place of pronouns, and has changed their name (perhaps more than once) but the school policy (written by GLAAD or Mermaids or whoever with boring old fashioned child sex swap trannies in mind, a la Jazz Jennings) states that pronouns must be respected and any member of staff who violates policy will face a disciplinary. Now imagine you teach a subject rather than a homeroom class and you have 300 kids on your weekly timetable, a third of whom use stupid made up words etc etc.
How many teachers will face disciplinary action before management realise what a clusterfucking time waste the entire ‘transgender’ policy has been?
Here's a horrifying read about murderers who trooned out in prison,

I don't know if this is evidence of how demented trannies are, or evidence of how violent psychopaths take advantage of troonery to "escape" responsibility for their crimes... either way its fucked up.

Quote from a forensic psychologist:
"When a person feels trapped in a male body, they can be angry, nasty and aggressive and once they achieve their gender transformation, they experience relief with their new identity.
The person can often reject entirely their former self, the person they once was, so as to avoid that violent period of their lives.
They will form completely new associations, new friends, a new name and find a new, more acceptable environment to live in."

I think something similar is at play in the veterans who troon out after actual war zone duty - they don’t want to accept the awful things that they’ve done so their identity fragments and they make up a whole new self as a protective shell. I think it all ties up with the ‘moral injury’ type phenomena that makes veterans more likely to suicide, but usual disclaimer, I’m a random person talking out of her arse on the internet, not a mental health expert.

This dude trooned out after experiencing/witnessing unimaginable trauma and later detransitioned. None of the terrible shit that happened to his fam was his fault, but he probably felt at least a bit guilty that he couldn’t save his children, seeing as society expects fathers to be the protector (two of his kids, infant twins, died due to illness and years later his 19 year old son was electrocuted climbing a pylon and he sat by his son’s ICU bed for a month and half waiting for him to die from the burns). Throw in some unresolved trauma due to childhood sexual abuse and who wouldn’t want to be ‘reborn’ as a totally new person?
 
This dude trooned out after experiencing/witnessing unimaginable trauma and later detransitioned. None of the terrible shit that happened to his fam was his fault, but he probably felt at least a bit guilty that he couldn’t save his children, seeing as society expects fathers to be the protector (two of his kids, infant twins, died due to illness and years later his 19 year old son was electrocuted climbing a pylon and he sat by his son’s ICU bed for a month and half waiting for him to die from the burns). Throw in some unresolved trauma due to childhood sexual abuse and who wouldn’t want to be ‘reborn’ as a totally new person?
My god, that's a deeply tragic story. It's completely understandable that he was mentally unwell and had an unstable identity in his situation, I'm surprised he didn't just try to do a flip. He will be ignored and called a terf, of course.
 
He trooned then detrooned and started doing gay porn. Now he’s back to troon again— with a goatee. Sure Crocker.


Hey now. Mey Rude isn’t just a straight man posing as a lesbian— he’s a straight white man posing as a Mexican lesbian. Let’s give Matt his due:
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Is this blob at a wedding? Wearing trainers and a tiny crop top that barely cover his saggy little moobs?? Christ. My eyes!

Pink dress girl: find yourself some better friends, honey.
 
I think something similar is at play in the veterans who troon out after actual war zone duty - they don’t want to accept the awful things that they’ve done so their identity fragments and they make up a whole new self as a protective shell. I think it all ties up with the ‘moral injury’ type phenomena that makes veterans more likely to suicide, but usual disclaimer, I’m a random person talking out of her arse on the internet, not a mental health expert.
Some really messed-up serial killers have that "shell" understanding of transgenderism too; Jerry Brudos, for instance, had blackout periods where he thought he was a woman because of his crazy mom, even though he didn't see himself as transgender. For all the fretting over whether cops were otherizing transsexuals a few decades ago, psychologists and law enforcement were usually pretty careful to sort out "true and honest" trans people from others who just grabbed onto it as an explanation for their abuse and obsessions. It comes up a lot in violent sex crimes because there's always some sort of self-hatred or projected hatred going on, and that gets mixed up with fetishes that try to mirror the other sex to cope. I often wonder what old-school criminal profilers think about trenders.
 
The evidence in favor of medical transition is already better than most other mental health treatment paid for by insurance/government, at least in the case of male to female transition.

https://sci-hub.se/https://doi.org/10.1080/15532739.2014.899174
Children are curiously enough not adults. This may surprise you, but it's actually true by definition.

Mental health outcomes in children are in general not interesting, since they are always good. It's unusual for a child to have serious mental health problems. I have always wondered what the point of that study was, because it's basically a Dorothy Dixer study. My guess was always that it was deliberately misleading propaganda as nobody really denies that little Billy gets happy when he gets to play with Barbies. The question has always been about long term outcomes, an issue that this study and indeed (AFAIK) no study addresses in a controlled fashion.

I won't deny the claim re. strength of evidence though; it's hard to say what fraction of practical clinical psychology has any real evidentiary foundation. So, in a way we can't be sure your claim has no merit to it.

Is it they themselves who report lower quality of life or just you who view their quality of life as lower?
Even though you're probably gone, the answer is that it depends. Sometimes, they explicitly say their life is worse, due to say diminished dating prospects (SRS seems to have mixed effects here, I think it's often a function of passability vs. attractiveness to chasers, which are not identical) or because they judge the difficulties or pain due to complications worse than whatever dysphoria they may have had before (often none). Othertimes, it's my reading between the lines, which I grant may not be reliable. This you have to do whenever they don't provide any kind of before/after comparison.

Remember that believing that things turned out badly doesn't necessarily translate into verbalizing regret on a survey as there are many ways for a subject to interpret an item. To give a concrete example, suppose I offer you a very favourable bet and then you lose due to bad luck, do you regret taking the bet? People often answer No to this kind of question, because their decision was obviously a rational one. Many SRS patients with severe complications seem to feel similarly. Of course, that judgement is going to depend on their beliefs which will be informed by popular perception, available scientific evidence etc..

Even if this chucklefuck is representing the study correctly, you can't trust chink science, simple as that.
I'd never seen this study before, it's basically a kind of brains-by-proxy study. Since, sex differentiation is deeply conserved, then you'll observe all sorts of shifts when you have atypical hormone exposures in utero. Therefore, it's in the same family of studies as the BSTc, INAH-3 etc. brain studies are.

Like all of these studies, what they are detecting is in fact masculinization (it's an FtM study) and the effect is quite plausibly real. But, again like most of these studies, they don't control for sexual attraction which would demonstrate that the explanation cannot be so simple, since only the subset of gynephilic FtMs would display this masculinization (assuming autism doesn't also produce differences in BL distance or w/e).

He is not totally misrepresenting what the paper says though:
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I think this is much less meaningful than he thinks it is though. It might also be added that 12 years on from when the paper was published, the only candidate gene identified is CYP-17, a steroid related variant that results in increased masculinization in females. That we've struggled to identify variants is actually not surprising, since any such variants would produce high rates of homosexuality, which is obviously very bad for evolutionary fitness. Hence, also the (complete?) failure to identify any "gay genes."

The bigger issue, however, is that he doesn't understand the fundamentals of thinking about causality in human behavior. In fact he doesn't understand The Fundamental Fact: everything is biological (cf. first law of behavioral genetics: Everything is genetic). Every thinking person thinks that there are lots of anthropometric or neurological correlates of transsexualism. The disagreement isn't about that, it's about the causal relationships, the degree of determinacy involved and the relatedly, the importance of socio-cultural factors.
 
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