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They want that white girl experience.Cause trannies are always getting pressed about kids & dogs clocking them. The indoctrination of children via a dog probably gives them a boner.
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They want that white girl experience.Cause trannies are always getting pressed about kids & dogs clocking them. The indoctrination of children via a dog probably gives them a boner.
Well to be fair nobles and royalty in most countries were inbred as fuck.A lot of the 'sane' trannies consistently have that blindspot.
Buck Angel for example consistently reverts back to "there's nothing wrong with sex work!" and "I live as a male!"
Even Debbie Hayton slipped up and said "I transitioned my sex to female".
A while ago Keira Bell, noted detransitioner who sued Tavistock, admitted she uses the male bathroom "because I have male secondary sex characteristics" except even if she had a fleshpole im p sure you can't pee through it.
Then you have this absolutely delusional cunt who says "other troons have a Y chromosome, my chromosomes are royal!"
This is the face of royal genetics, complete with AGP smirk:
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Forget about the friend; spend time with his dad. The old man needs your support just as you need his.Jannies remove this if it's off topic, but here's a big powerlevel vent about losing my best friend.
TLDR I just want my fucking best friend back.
piggybacking off what everyone else said, if you decide that you want to try and get him out of this (and nobody would blame you for running away as fast as possible) treat it like any other mental health crisis. when you tackle it, don’t mention his gender, mention that he’s been spending a lot of time online and it’s unhealthy, that he’s been stressed lately, that he’s alienating people he loves, that he’s just not happy, and try to solve *those* issues with him, without bringing the trans stuff into it. if you can even just get him off discord for a while, it’ll go a long wayThis will be the last I talk about my situation on this thread, since I would rather not shit it up with more of my personal issues, but I will consider your advice, and share what I've been told with his family and find a way to talk to him about it. I'm new to commenting on the farms, so I really don't know how spoilers/quoting works, but in essence:
- SRS/HRT and the future? That's the problem, he doesn't really have a future. This is the first time he has done something so compulsive in his life. For fucks sake he took a week to pick out what gauge guitar strings he wanted for his Fender. This is the first time he's rushed towards doing something with little to no plans. His general plans are to go on HRT, get SRS, and hopefully end up a pretty girl by the end of it to get happy. I have no doubt it's AGP, since every icon he has is a "cute anime girl uwu", but I don't think he has any longterm plans.
- Situations that make him happy: Again, the issue is that no hobby we had really makes him happy anymore. He has a breakdown and "dysphoria" about his massive man hands when we play guitar together, we can't go to car meets because he gets so many stares and doesn't feel "comfortable" around all the guys, playing games is okay for a while, but the whole point of us playing games it to chat while we play, but all our conversations fizzle out. Going out into public and dicking around at a guitar store, going to music shops, or even the local bookstore isn't really an option because we always end up cutting our trip into town short, since someone always clocks him or misgenders him. Literally I drove us out into town to check out a new manga he wanted to read (and I was going to pick up a few books for my college), and we literally walked in, got a few feet in when he pulled me aside and begged to go back home, saying that the group of teenage girls were eyeing him funny. He's literally become a new person. His sisters have tried to take them to their book club and out shopping with their friends, but none of them feel comfortable around him (or so they say).
- Not Crossdressing: Man of fucking man I have tried, I have tried so hard. Putting it in the nicest way possible, putting it bluntly, doing a mix of both, nothing. He always dresses femininely, hell, the only male clothes I can specially remember him having still is a motorcycle jacket he got for his 18th birthday and a hoodie I bought him for chrismas a year ago. He literally dumped many hundreds into a new wardrobe, clothes, shoes, underwear.... bras... (fuck that last one really hurt to type).
That's why I am thinking it's mental illness, he has no clear future, he just says being a woman feels "right", "natural", and "always how I was meant to be".
No Zack, no. You were "never meant" to be a girl. You want to play religion and say god put a woman in a man's body? Well god is a cruel fucking bastard then, because he put you in a body that most men would kill to be in. 6'3, fit as a fucking mule, always had a cool 5 o'clock shadow, and the charm that made me look up to you in so many ways. Drop the shit man, you were meant to be a guy, a man's man. Even if god put Hailey inside you, she should just suck it up, and use the balls god gave her to be a man and tough it out like the rest of us. If I wanted all this drama and to be protecting a skinny man in a dress with lipstick and a stubble I'd be working as a Pulse Nightclub bouncer.
Anyways, I just don't fucking know. I joined KF because I loved Josh's comfy streams and wanted to browse some lolcows. Sorry for shitting up this thread with my issues and venting like a little baby, it's the last I'll mention of it. I'll try to talk him out, Zack deserves one last attempt, one genuine attempt with all his family there (I'd say friends, but I'll be blunt I'm the last one he has), and try to get him back. If not, then I know for certain I don't want Hailey as my best friend, no one replaces Zack.
Thanks Kiwis. Thanks.
What a delightful individual he seems to be! Not a scamming narc at all!snipped tranny grift
add in some badly translated french or german and "orange man bad" and you basically have a tranny moviebobAutistic fucking twitter chain
The suggestions here, while well thought out and reasonable, are not the job for a friend. Asking these questions and getting this man to consider his answers is a job for a therapist.I am going to go against everyone suggesting that you give up or cut ties or whatever else. I always believe that we have a duty of sorts to our friends; we should help them if we can. To this effect, I have some suggestions/advice that I hope might be of use to you.
Firstly, has he ever talked about what he wants to do in the future (beyond HRT or SRS)? Has he ever explained to you in any detail how he imagines his future as a 'woman'? Does he ever talk about, say, what being a 'woman' means etc. to him?
I think if you want to help him out of the hole that he's fallen into these are valuable for you to know and understand. For most - indeed probably all - troons, the ultimate driver and impetus to troon out, to embrace a cross-sex identity is really a set of internal fantasies and imaginings. 'Memories' of the future if you will, to him these are going to be extremely positively valenced; they feel 'good' in the simplest sense.
His affective disposition is why he is going to think or conclude that this is his 'authentic' self; it's what everyone's 'authentic' selves are, the person who we warmly imagine that we could be. The value in knowing what sort of things he day dreams or fantasizes about is that you could help him better appraise those imaginings.
For all of us, when we dream or even just desire something, we imagine it and from our affective disposition we interpret whether we want it or not. Our interpretations are inevitably not infallible. Firstly, because our imaginations may not comport with reality, but secondly because our interpretation of what it is within our imaginings it is that we feel positively disposed towards is fallible. All imaginings contain more than just the abstract object of supposed desire, they come in some context and if in our interpretations we fail to understand the impact of that context then we mistake the nature of our own desires.
In this case, your friendly imagines himself as a woman, but he can't imagine himself as a woman in some pure decontextualized sense as that makes no sense. He imagines himself doing things, being something in the world and so forth. Maybe, he projects himself into slice of life animes in a kind of modified sense, or thinks of himself as a beautiful girl that everyone fawns over or as in a bad-ass lesbian relationship. The key here is that it is not really being a 'woman' that makes him feel a positive affective disposition towards these things. It's the context, the effortless friendships, the attention and devotion etc., things that everyone is liable to desire.
His problem is in not recognizing that being a 'woman' is not central to why he enjoys those fantasies. Indeed, how could it be? There is nothing inherently good about being a woman nor is there any truth to ideas like innate 'gender identity' that would make it so. This is actually why you observe this huge disconnect between troons and normal people on the reality of 'gender identity' and on the supposed dreadfulness of being in a 'wrongly' sexed body. For us, ideas of being the opposite sex carry no affective charge. I think of myself as a woman and my thought is just: "So what?". The entire idea that one could feel a strong pull to a particular gender is just phenomenally mystifying and this is the reason.
The best advice is thus to get your friend to explain what appeals to him, what he imagines in the future and so forth, and to get him to do so as candidly as possible. As if you can understand what drives him then you can help him find a different interpretation of his desires. The goal is really to get him to re-interpret his fantasies to see being a 'woman' as not the core driver of his affective disposition, but rather just as a sort of vehicle. If he can see it as a vehicle, then he can also see that transitioning won't make him happy, because the other parts of his dreams - the parts that actually make him feel happy - don't follow as some natural logical consequence to transition, they're just 'possibilities' and quite likely not very realistic ones. Moreover, this could help him start to see a happy future self that was a man.
I don't know that any of this is really easy, and many of his fantasies are probably fairly explicit in nature, so I don't he'd tell you about those. It might also be difficult to get your friend to open up about the non-explicit stuff though, he might unconsciously intuit that his dreams are a bit silly. This will depend on your friend's personality I suppose and your ability to show sympathy in the right way for him.
The other thing I'd suggest is to try get him into situations that make him feel happy, particularly social situations. It is my experience that troon imaginings tend to be mostly social in nature, if you can give him something fun of a similar nature then it could help him as well. This might be impossible though, since you'd have to convince him not to cross-dress, therefore you'd need to try think up some excuse to convince him. Drugs/alcohol are good to make him less miserable in the process as he'll probably set very negative expectations as a kind of defense if he's not dressed up.
Yeh, Newgent is a little bit deranged, interesting only because of the inside perspective that she offers. Underappreciated at times how crazy a lot of FtMs are. They might not have MtF troons matched for antisocial behavior, but for simple insanity they can match them the whole way.
Hell, I'd say that straight women who troon out late are the craziest troon demographic and comfortably so.
FWIW, I think it doesn't really matter what you do once you've transitioned unless there are obvious objective benefits to detransitioning. So, althought Newgent is definitely nuts, it's probably the correct call to just stick it out anyways since life would probably be more difficult as an obviously masculinized woman. Something similar can be said for Keira Bell still using men's bathrooms. If you don't neurotically obsess about 'gender identity' then just doing whatever is easiest given the world as it exists is the obvious thing to do.
Hypersexualism => massively increased probability of developing some (many) form(s) of paraphilia. I think there's also an element of just sheer antisociality that extreme masculinization produces especially in conjunction with an at least slightly 'autistic' personality. So, a lot of these kind of guys have some basic disregard for laws, rules or norms of basically any kind. Hence, if they decide they want to do something utterly insane, then that's what they'll do, everyone else be damned. Relatedly, they tend to be hyper-competitive and are often regarded as dickheads of a sort.
I have a kind of (admittantly under-evidenced) theory that pre-2010 AGP-types were far more often highly masculine types for this reason whereas, now they are relatively less masculine autists and the like, who would never have had the chutzpah to even start thinking about trooning out. This can be combined with the fact that back then there was reduced access/exposure to more extreme types of porn, while other social drivers/influences were less present. So, you probably needed to have a more unchained sex drive.
Men like Martin 'Martine' Rothblatt, Bob 'Zoey' Tur or Eddie Izzard are all good examples.
Most detrans FTMs are nuts, and they don’t realize they still have the same thought patterns, only now applied to being detrans. Also, a complete lack of personal responsibility. If you listened to them you would think every woman who was a lesbian or a sexual assault victim born after 1989 trooned out. This is not true.I don't know if I'll get MATI for this but there's a big reason detransitioners are both sympathetic and annoying me a lot at the same time.
I understand their contradictory stance, Especially for ftms because it has a practical value as some changes are irreversible. But at the same time I see that transgenderism can be seen an ideology, and detransition is just a renouncing of that ideology. Perhaps, understand that you don't need to look a certain way to be man or a woman could be an ideal. Eventually I believe FtM will be easy to clock in general public anyway due to the growing amount of them. All they can do is keep lying to themselves and set up excuses to not face their issue head on.
The thing is, the problems with a lot of "sane" and regretting troons and many of detrooners now are probably because of their lack of self acceptance in the first place. While they can see that transitioning doesn't fix it... They still have that issues that are difficult to get addressed because trying to discuss or understand the underlying mental process of trannyism is a taboo in public sphere. Just as @remiem said, It's a big cope of their decisions, they may be able to speak out of their regret but truly accepting themselves? That's required mental fortitude that's difficult for everyone who's been through traumatic experiences. There's one big shame in my life that I still struggle to get over it, and while I am sympathetic of that... Because I kind of get what it feels like trying to block and not facing that trauma. This copium is tiring to live with.
There's one detrooner who came before most know that detransition is a thing, her username is Chaos Cat or something of that sense, I couldn't remember. And it just seem that after she made a few videos of her experiences where I feel like she's the one truly accepting of her bad decisions, and just disappeared from internet afterwards. She doesn't see herself as a victim.. but accepting that she fucked up once. and say things how that her voice and facial hair is female. It's "ok" to look like this. It's a bold admittance I don't see much from newer crop of detrooners, where instead they whine how much of a victim they are and everyone wronged them ... Except themselves. Keira Bell is a big example of this. But I do see the "lack of responsibility" and blaming others as a result of the lack of self acceptance and troon related narcissism.
There's also a detroon ex-mtf we talked about either here or GRS thread. He got a cock chop, then get a nonfunctional flesh tube and acts like it's a real penis...Man.. perhaps the kind of people who troon out in the first place are more concerned about how things look on the outside than the internal function of thing. And even if they regretted, they still see things shallowly?
Self-aware troon annoys me much more than truly loony ones. Simply because it seems like the get so close to the "real issue" but purposefully ignore it to uphold their fetish and illusion they made for themselves. Anne Lawrence has a trailing list of sexual assaults history. He works with Blanchard, and contrary to the public view of him, Blanchard actually advocate for people to troon out to live their fetish. And just deal with cognitive dissonance later.
*Big Feels to you*Jannies remove this if it's off topic, but here's a big powerlevel vent about losing my best friend.
I have read every single fucking page of this thread. Started at page 1, finally ended here. I autistically read through this to try and make sense of what the fuck happened to my best friend. I lost him six months ago. He trooned out, called himself a woman. I was accepting, but it was just too much. This man has been a part of my life for 12 years. His dad took us fishing, my grandad took us camping. He taught me how to drive stickshift and ride motorcycles, he helped me get into shape and drop 30 lbs as a teen. We learned guitar together, we build our first pc's with the help of the other. And yet he fucking trooned out because he "always felt like a woman".
But he's not a woman, we all know that. His dad mourns the loss of his son, his sisters pretend to accept him, but text me often about how weird he is, his mom left their family a few years ago. I can't even hang out with him anymore, nothing we do feels right anymore. Everytime we go out to town, I am always embarassed standing next to a 6'3 man in a skirt. Everyone can tell he doesn't pass, and often times we have to drive home because he felt like people were staring too much. We can't play guitar together anymore, he sees his massive man hands hitting frets that even I struggle to and he just breaks down and cries. Even playing vidya doesn't feel the same anymore, since his sense of humor has changed so much. He went from the most confident bastard I knew to a sensitive little sissy. Constantly needing to be comforted and reaffirmed, and I have lied to him telling him what a beautiful girl he is, but it feels gross doing that. Worst part is that he is a mishmash of feminine and male traits, he is your typical troon, has male hobbies like gaming and tech, for fucks sake he still drives the STI we tuned and help rebuild as teens, has an adams apple that is more pronounced than a snake eating a golf ball, has one of the most defined jawlines I've seen in a guy, and has the genetics to grow a great beard judging by his dad and granddad. He is too masculine to hang out with real women like his sisters and her friends, but too feminine to really hang out with men. He's just alone.
I thought that this thread may help me either cope with it, or even talk him out of de-transitioning, but I just can't. He's already talking about SRS and trying to get appointments for HRT, even though everyone is telling him he's rushing into things way too fast. I can try to talk him out of it, but he'll end up resenting me. Hell he already kind of does, even though I do my best to not deadname him and use proper pronouns, going from knowing someone as him for 12 years is hard to change, I'm even doing it now. But I'm the only one he has left. He has no real close friends besides me, all his work friends distanced themselves from him long ago. I am the last real life friend he has, his discord troon buddies just pink pill him even more. This fucking sucks, I hate trannies for what they did to my lad. I tried guys, I really did. But six months is all I can take really. I don't think I can continue doing this with him anymore. Every time I talk to him about waiting, or perhaps that it is just a phase, he flips his shit and yells at me (yells, not screams, because he's a 6'3 man), and tells me never to talk to him again, only to text me a few days later wanting to go to the bookstore or guitar store. This man used to be the most level headed guy I knew, and would constantly be the one to prevent me from flipping my shit or getting into fights, and now it's like things have changed, he's the hothead and I am the emotionally leveled one. But I'm not emotionally level, I'm just fucking emotionally drained from dealing with his bullshit. I have many friends that are girls, and that shit is tiring. He was supposed to be my retreat from constant whining about shitty bf's or drama, but now he's turned into the main source of drama in my life. I'm too embarrassed to have him at my house anymore, so we just hang in his troon room, full of trans pride shit that is so obnoxious my eyes bleed. How did the man that was the normal one out of the two of us end up making the fucking furry look like the socially well adapted one? I am thankful to whatever cruel god that he isn't a furry (that I am aware of), but knowing his troon buddies that's soon to change.
TLDR I just want my fucking best friend back.
Yeh, Newgent is a little bit deranged, interesting only because of the inside perspective that she offers. Underappreciated at times how crazy a lot of FtMs are. They might not have MtF troons matched for antisocial behavior, but for simple insanity they can match them the whole way.
Hell, I'd say that straight women who troon out late are the craziest troon demographic and comfortably so.
FWIW, I think it doesn't really matter what you do once you've transitioned unless there are obvious objective benefits to detransitioning. So, althought Newgent is definitely nuts, it's probably the correct call to just stick it out anyways since life would probably be more difficult as an obviously masculinized woman. Something similar can be said for Keira Bell still using men's bathrooms. If you don't neurotically obsess about 'gender identity' then just doing whatever is easiest given the world as it exists is the obvious thing to do.
The most common shit I've heard from detrans FTM is that they blame everyone around them for not trying to stop them when they want to troon out. While in reality, a lot of people did try to warn them - and yet they were busy threatening suicide, blackmail, screaming and accusing them of transphobia until people got tired of dealing with them and left them on their own devices to troon out.Most detrans FTMs are nuts, and they don’t realize they still have the same thought patterns, only now applied to being detrans. Also, a complete lack of personal responsibility. If you listened to them you would think every woman who was a lesbian or a sexual assault victim born after 1989 trooned out. This is not true.
They still have the ‘I’m not like other girls’ mentality.
A lot of the 'sane' trannies consistently have that blindspot.
That's a really good idea. Let me dig up an old post that's relevant to this,Peace to you, I can't imagine what that's like. Ultimately in order to help someone they have to want to be helped, if they don't there's not much you can do. Father Brown's strategy is well-reasoned and could help, another thing I'd try is taking him on a trip to the wilderness or somewhere far from home in order to completely change his context. But I don't know how practical it'd be for you to do that.
Basically, fetishistic obsessions often result from people being stuck in a psychological cycle, and taking them away from familiar surroundings and routines can help them break out of that cycle. Especially if he's not talking to his discord friends. I've heard stories of people who started detransitioning during the lockdown because they were no longer going out and being seen and it made them realize their trans self-image was all in their head.
Well our strong black aboriginal Auisie friend is now threatening to sue everyone including Anna Slatz from the Yaniv thread.Deep dive into Miss Aborigine Claire G Coleman
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Authentic BLAK Woman!
Claire claims he “identifies” with the South Coast Noongar people, whatever the fuck that means, on his website bio:
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Coleman’s claim rests on his great-great grandmother, an Aborigine woman named Fanny Winnery (aka Binian). Fanny seems to be a hot topic amongst white Western Australian writers. Coleman’s cousins Kim Scott and Sheryl McCorry have each written memoirs that include Fanny’s history. Kim Scott’s book Kayang & Me is about Scott’s attempts to reconnect to his indigenous heritage through an elderly woman who has difficulties getting the family history straight. Scott states his father Tommy is Aborigine. His claim hinges on the same relative as Coleman’s, Fanny Winnery.
Aborigine man Kim Scott:
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Sheryl McCorry has no issues laying it out: that Fanny Winnery was the daughter of an Englishman and an Aborigine woman, making Coleman’s seemingly sole claim to Aboriginal heritage resting not on his great-great grandmother but his great-great-great grandmother:
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Fanny herself married an Englishman named Ben (later John) Mason. Her daughter Harriet married Irishman Daniel Coleman (Harriet’s sister Dinah marrying Coleman’s twin brother Patrick). Irish Daniel and one quarter Aboriginal Harriet’s son Fred is Claire Coleman’s grandfather.
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Authentic BLAK people: Daniel and Harriet Coleman; two of their sons and Claire’s great uncles William and Charles Coleman, brothers to Claire’s grandfather Fred; Claire himself.
Coleman however still insists that he and his family are BLAK:
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Claire’s BLAK dad:
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Claire’s BLAK family:
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An Aborigine woman knows what’s up. Aileen Marwung Walsh calls out both Coleman and his cousin Kim Scott for appropriation, pointing out they’re white guys who’ve used a tenuous claim to indigenous heritage as a means to get published and sell books.
It was Kim’s novel Benang, that Coleman used to “swear in” upon joining some Melbourne literary guild. According to Wiki— in an entry surely written by Kim Scott himself— Benang is “about forced cultural assimilation, and finding how one can return to their own culture.”
It’s not a leap to think Coleman, who has no online presence under his current name before 2016 and admits to being homeless and flunking out of uni, was inspired by his cousin’s LARP to write his own dystopian Aboriginie sci-fi novel, Terra Nullius and sell himself as an Aborigine woman, an identity far more palatable to woke PR departments than a white guy.
Here’s Aileen’s take on Coleman, Kim Scott, and cultural appropriation:
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A third person who also seems knowledgeable about the Coleman line steps in:
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Here Coleman claims that his family “didn’t know” they were Aborigine and admits his mother’s side is white:
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Back to Aileen:
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TL;DR Another white man pulling the increasing common double bill of race/sex LARPing as a brave, strong woman of color.
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“I was called Vegemite!” Not mayo?
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ETA2: additional info added
For the record, both are still living happily as dudes and I haven't heard them talking about dysphoria at all. The gay one has his marriage ready to go as soon as restrictions on gatherings lift where he lives, and the straight one has finally gotten himself a girlfriend (although I'll say she's more of a 5 out of 10 and he could probably do better).
I'm not going to PL further by pointing out who he is, but he was featured in this thread long ago. You know those before-and-after pictures where a handsome guy with a chad jawline turns into an orc in a dress? He was one of those. Since he never managed to get HRT (no money) there weren't any permanent changes to his body. After moving the only job he could get was blue-collar and physically demanding, so he muscled up pretty quickly again.While it’s good that your pals got over their troonism, we really gonna say that the straight one can do better than a 5 out of 10? I wouldn’t wish a lowly 2 or even 1 on an ex-troon — cuz troons, not even once.
This has probably been discussed before within the almost 2000 page backlog of this thread, but it confuses me what exactly non-binary trans people want to accomplish by transitioning, via HRT and otherwise. So you're saying that you don't want to be a woman, but you do want the secondary sex characteristics of a woman, as well as a vagina? Same thing with female non-binaries, some of them will take HRT and grow beards for some reason even though they insist that they don't want to be men. There's this former friend of mine whose twitter feed that I still read, and apparently he identifies as non-binary now and also says he wants to convince his nurse practitioner to start giving him estrogen. And for some reason, Jim Sterling also went on estrogen despite that he identifies as a "non-binary genderfuck" or whatever.
It's possible that many of the big youtubers that exclusively focused on trans issues no longer do so anymore, but I seriously doubt that this means there's a lessening of trans ideology being proliferated on youtube. It's still very much there, as well as on every other mainstream social media platform. Though, maybe you didn't necessarily mean to say that the ideology itself is lessening, just that big trans youtubers aren't as active anymore.The YouTube trannies seem to have calmed down.
Stef Sanjati left YouTube.
Ash Hardell disappeared (possible regrets?)
Chase Ross only does toy reviews
Riley Dennis only does anime reviews
Did I forget any snowflake trannies?
Such a classic example of narcissistic rage. Good luck finding a pro bono lawyer who is willing to help a white tranny sue an aboriginal woman who pointed out he's white.Well our strong black aboriginal Auisie friend is now threatening to sue everyone including Anna Slatz from the Yaniv thread.
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