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In my opinion, AGP is just a fetish. Anyone (except maybe ciswomen?) can have it regardless of their gender identity or sexual orientation. The labels HSTS and AGP don't seem particularly useful since there's cis guys and homosexual transsexuals who are autogynephiles.
If ciswomen can't be aroused by the idea of them looking as sexy as possible, how do you explain the lingerie industry?
 
In my opinion, AGP is just a fetish. Anyone (except maybe ciswomen?) can have it regardless of their gender identity or sexual orientation. The labels HSTS and AGP don't seem particularly useful since there's cis guys and homosexual transsexuals who are autogynephiles.
Strictly speaking, AGPs fetishize womanhood in its own end. Specifically, they are turned on by the idea of having female bodily functions like menstruation and pregnancy, and being accepted into women groups. This is quite different from the female fantasies of cis (gay) men and HSTSs, who fetishize womanhood instrumentally, as part of the story that end up with them fucking hunky men. Of course overlaps exist, but you rarely hear cis gay men giggling and talking about their "period cramps" and cravings for pickles, or demanding to be in support groups for female rape victims.
 
The more I see of the AGP troons, the creepier it gets. That bimboification stuff--I would not be comfortable sharing a locker room with someone who's got that shit on the brain all the time.

In fact, I can't help seeing how this isn't dragging down all of the sexual minorities (hate that term, but not sure how else to put it). On the one hand, normal mortgage-having grownup gay people will look much less strange even to the crusty conservatives, now that we've got Yaniv and company grabbing the headlines. But on the other hand, the idea of Joe and Hank and their quiet committed relationship of 20+ years being lumped into the same category as Yaniv could make people less tolerant, since the LGB is still shackled to the T. Like that old Onion heading about "Gay Pride Parade Sets Mainstream Acceptance of Gays Back 50 Years."

You get it! You fucking get it, man! You've put something into words that I've been thinking that I couldn't phrase in a way that didn't make me seem crazy!
God I really hope we can find a way to separate LGB from T and the gang. I used to think all we had to do was amputate T, but at this point, T is bigger than us. I think if anything, a getaway is a better analogy than simply making an excision of a tumor.
 
Even when they troon out you still get men treating women like shit. Apollo is trying to be calm and respectful, while Ramona jumps right to saying he hates her and is mad at her for no reason. Even if they change their pronouns, they're still acting like typical women and men.
 
Even when they troon out you still get men treating women like shit. Apollo is trying to be calm and respectful, while Ramona jumps right to saying he hates her and is mad at her for no reason. Even if they change their pronouns, they're still acting like typical women and men.
Keep in mind you're analyzing a conversation between two highly unstable people. If anything this reads more as an argument between two women (and I don't mean that in a "validating" way).
 
Is this one AGP or HSTS?

He is 33, had SRS a year ago and he started 3 years ago at age 30.
He is bisexual and claims to sleep with men every week.

Since he sleeps with men but identifies as bisexual and looks creepy I don't know if he falls under the AGP or the HSTS label?

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I'm re-reading Anne Lawrence's book on autogynephilia and apparently in Blanchard's studies the bisexual identified trannies tended to have the strongest reaction to AGP prompts when they did those "measure your boner" tests.

Sleeping with men alone doesn't make you a HSTS. It's all a little more complicated than the way it gets painted in casual conversation and a lot of people oversimplify or misinterpret Blanchard's findings (I think the biggest misinterpretation is that Blanchard's models identify HSTS's as the "real" transsexuals and AGPs as "fakes" that should be dissuaded from transition, but that's not the case at all, in fact there's some evidence that AGPs tend to be more satisfied with their transitions and are less likely to desist, the models aren't about real vs fake)

I apologize for the sperging, I am just in a tranny literature rabbit hole right now.
 
I'm re-reading Anne Lawrence's book on autogynephilia and apparently in Blanchard's studies the bisexual identified trannies tended to have the strongest reaction to AGP prompts when they did those "measure your boner" tests.

Sleeping with men alone doesn't make you a HSTS. It's all a little more complicated than the way it gets painted in casual conversation and a lot of people oversimplify or misinterpret Blanchard's findings (I think the biggest misinterpretation is that Blanchard's models identify HSTS's as the "real" transsexuals and AGPs as "fakes" that should be dissuaded from transition, but that's not the case at all, in fact there's some evidence that AGPs tend to be more satisfied with their transitions and are less likely to desist, the models aren't about real vs fake)

I apologize for the sperging, I am just in a tranny literature rabbit hole right now.
Big Daddy Ray said that AGPs should transition if it helps their mental health.

Anne Lawrence is apparently batshit crazy and tried to molest women on the operating table.
 
I don’t know if it has ever been discussed before on this site, but what the fuck is sissy hypnosis porn? I get the general idea that it subliminally/overtly alters your mind to want to submit to other men and hate your own cock and become basically like a servant, but... how is it so effective that it is ruining people’s lives like this?
Sissy porn is a bunch of videos supposed to turn you into a hypersexual bimbo slut. In reality, it's a bunch of flashing lights and flashing words giving you messages like "You wanna suck all the cocks in panties, don't cha, faggot." If you're not into autogynophilia, it won't turn you on but will probably give you a headache.
 
Big Daddy Ray said that AGPs should transition if it helps their mental health.

Anne Lawrence is apparently batshit crazy and tried to molest women on the operating table.
This doesn't surprise me, he has ze crazy eyes Anne_Lawrence2.jpg
 
Sleeping with men alone doesn't make you a HSTS.
Sleeping with men exclusively, troonign out to attract them, and self-hatrated as a gay man defines the harry benjamin syndrome tranny. There's no such thing as a "True Transsexual". One tranny is just gayer than the other. Anne Lawerence and other successful white men like him are just perverts.
 
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She not only molested, or tried to molest, a patient on the operating table, she also molested a bunch of other tranners in the name of trying to get pix of their genitals, pre and postop for uh, "research".


In July 1996, Lawrence created Transsexual Women’s Resources, one of the most important early online resources for trans medical information, later housed at annelawerence.com. Much of it was first-hand reports, such as Lawrence’s 1996 essay about vaginoplasty with Toby Meltzer titled “Taking Portlandia’s Hand.” It also had the largest collection of vaginoplasty information and results from around the world, captioned with Lawrence’s personal opinions about the results. Many of the images of results were taken by Lawrence, often at community gatherings or at Lawrence’s home. Lawrence has since removed most of the material and excluded it from archival sites.

In 1997, Lawrence was accused by coworkers of examining an unconscious Ethiopian patient for signs of ritualized genital modification during a medical procedure. That triggered a state investigation, and Lawrence resigned prior to the full investigation.
 
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She not only molested, or tried to molest, a patient on the operating table, she also molested a bunch of other tranners in the name of trying to get pix of their genitals, pre and postop for uh, "research".

You used Andrea James as a source. I'm not sure where it is, but I think he also sexually harrassed some professor's kids. Typical AGP.
 
Got bored and went tranny dumpster-diving on Reddit...
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I dunno Frodo, you look in the mirror and tell me?
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This one REALLY caught me off-guard and I burst out laughing. He just looks like a fucking clown!
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Wait wait wait, you’re telling me this curvy, bodacious muscular babe is actually TRANS? I never would’a guessed!
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If anything, can we all agree that troons using the word “butch” and “dyke” is just downright wrong?
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Gag.

And then, there is just the downright sad shit on the surgery subs.
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Gee, I dunno. I’ll have to do a big think on this one... half of his sexual reproductive organs are missing and the other half is tucked where it isn’t supposed to be. Now, how could that result in loss of sexual pleasure? Hmmm...
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And then, there is just the downright sad shit on the surgery subs.
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Gee, I dunno. I’ll have to do a big think on this one... half of his sexual reproductive organs are missing and the other half is tucked where it isn’t supposed to be. Now, how could that result in loss of sexual pleasure? Hmmm...
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I bet very few of them feel much pleasure at all from their "clit". Guys don't normally feel much pleasure from their unerect penis glans, or else they would be constantly cumming in their pants.

This dude is now realizing his fellow cult members were putting on an act, but it's too late now.

Trannies are like Heaven's Gate and all that's left for him to do is take the hemlock.
 
Idk if it was mentioned (and I know Im posting a lot more than usual), but whats up with this post they link to?
This shit is so painfully fake. This reads like fanfiction. Of course the protagonist– ahem, the victim, acts completely calm and collected and doesn’t act in any retaliatory manner against the harasser. Nope, she plays her cards perfectly. And the evil “fruit farmer” still goes out of his way to harass this poor innocent transgender woman! Ugh, my heart breaks.

No. This obviously didn’t fucking happen. I was skeptical the whole read until this part.
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This is worse than some of those stories on Tumblr that end with “and everybody clapped!”

This is what OP thinks Kiwi Farms is going to do to him if he or anybody else gets posted on this thread. But no, in reality, nobody on this site goes out of their way to harass and attempt to murder one troon in particular out of the thousands that have been posted on this thread. Get your head out of your ass OP, you aren’t that important.

I found this funny. One of the repliers thinks this site is full of “straight people stans” (??????) and “assassins.”
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