US President Donald J. Trump Impeachment Megathread - Democrats commit mass political suicide

On September 24th, 2019, Nanci Pelosi did what everyone expected was some exceptional political posturing -- initiating a formal impeachment inquiry against President Donald Trump.

The initial "charge," such as it was, was "betraying his oath of office and the nation's security by seeking to enlist a foreign power to tarnish a rival for his own political gain." This, amusingly, was after it was discovered and widely reported on that the DNC had contacted the very same foreign power to attempt to tarnish Trump.

Specifically, this was all based on a rumor that Trump had asked the Ukraine to investigate how a prosecutor investigating Joe Biden's son for corruption had gotten fired, and withheld foreign aid until they had agreed. (He did ask the leader of the Ukraine to investigate what happened with the prosecutor, but did not hold up any foreign aid nor threaten anything of the like.)

Around this time, Trump did something they could not, and still cannot, understand: He publicly turned over all the documents. The transcript of the phone call they claimed showed him committing the crime of blackmailing the Ukraine into investigating Joe Biden for him was released, showing that Trump did nothing wrong. The only reaction the radical left had was arguing over the definition of "transcript" and spouting off a conspiracy theory about official state documents being edited.

At the same time, old video evidence of Joe Biden publicly bragging about blackmailing the Ukraine into NOT investigating his son came to light. Yes, this is exactly what they're accusing Trump of doing. The left is nothing if not subtle. Right after this, evidence came to light that Pelosi, Kerry, and Romney's kids had similar fake jobs in the Ukraine, getting paid ungodly amounts of money and embezzling US foreign aid to the Ukraine -- all things that Trump's Attorney General has openly discussed investigating.

By releasing the transcripts, the DNC was tripped up. Instead of being able to leak information from their secret investigation until November 2020, they were forced to play their hand publicly.

And they had no hand to play. The impeachment accusations came from second and third hand sources -- watercooler talk from Unelected Deep State Analysts with Trump Derangement Syndrome, outraged that President Trump refused to obey them when they felt they had a better idea as to how to run Foreign Affairs. Other allegations included that supposedly, the telepathic DNC members working in the state department knew what Trump was thinking (despite him literally saying the exact opposite) or could tell that Trump would do something even worse -- maybe something actually illegal -- in the future, and boy howdy, the imaginary Trump in their minds was a right bastard.

(As an aside, the name of the whistleblower, Eric Ciaramella, has been censored across pretty much all social media, a test run of whatever censorship they're going to enact in the next few months to try and swing the election.)

At the same time, the DNC performed significant amounts of partisan political fuckery to do this all publicly, but unofficially -- preventing the GOP from bringing forth witnesses or questioning the DNC's witnesses, or even reading the double plus secret evidence the DNC supposedly had. Those GOP that did get access to the evidence have confirmed it's a 3 pound 5 ounce nothingburger.

The charges have since mutated, with them initially being changed to "bribery" -- as "bribery" focus groups easier and is easier to spew out on Twitter.

On December 18th, 2019, along party lines and with bipartisan opposition, they finally drafted their articles of impeachment -- first for "Abuse of Power" and second for "Obstruction of Congress." Neither are actually crimes nor are they impeachable offenses, even if they were true -- which the DNC has provided no evidence of, explaining that it's the Senate's job to investigate and find the evidence.

Narrator: It is not the Senate's job to investigate and find the evidence.

The "Obstruction of Congress" charge is particularly egregious, as they are claiming that Trump, by reaching out to the courts to act as mediators in his dispute over the rules with Pelosi, was obstructing her. In other words, Pelosi's stance is that the President must obey her, even if she's being a batshit insane drunk. Many legal scholars, including Alan Dershowitz, have pointed out that this is absolute bullshit.

The latest development as of this writing on December 21th, 2019, is that Pelosi is demanding that the GOP recuse itself, allowing the DNC to reshape the Senate in order to make the process "fair" -- by creating a Kangaroo court. The GOP is refusing outright, as the Senate's role during this is very specifically to take the charges and all the evidence gathered from the house -- which is none -- and vote yes or no on impeachment. They need 2/3rd majority to vote yes, and the DNC does not have the votes.

Pelosi is refusing to send over the articles of impeachment until the GOP allows her to stack the Senate against Trump, an act that Dershowitz as well as Noah Feldman, the DNC's own star legal expert witness, has said is unconstitutional and "a problem," as Trump isn't impeached until the articles have been filed. Meanwhile, the DNC has put the House on vacation until the new year, while the Senate is exploring options including forcing the articles over without Pelosi's ok. Trump and the Senate have both went to the SCOTUS to ask them if any of this is constitutional.

tl;dr: Trump may have found where the Swamp was embezzling US Foreign Aid. Many politician's children working fake jobs for huge amounts of money in the Ukraine, blatantly selling influence. This caused the DNC to freak out and try and headshot Trump. They missed. The Democrats appear to have committed political suicide, making Trump a Martyr and only realizing in the aftermath that they didn't actually get rid of him or even weaken him in any way. They also appear to realize they fucked up and are trying to slow walk it back, keeping the "he's impeached!" victory while not actually having to let anyone read the evidence or have a trial on it.


@Yotsubaaa did a great writeup here with links to various winner posts: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/nancy...kraine-phone-call.61583/page-135#post-5606264

And @Yotsubaaa did a new version very late on the 21st of December: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/presi...chment-megathread.61583/page-260#post-5754920

Which are too big to quote here.



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WASHINGTON — Speaker Nancy Pelosi announced on Tuesday that the House would initiate a formal impeachment inquiry against President Trump, charging him with betraying his oath of office and the nation’s security by seeking to enlist a foreign power to tarnish a rival for his own political gain.

Ms. Pelosi’s declaration, after months of reticence by Democrats who had feared the political consequences of impeaching a president many of them long ago concluded was unfit for office, was a stunning turn that set the stage for a history-making and exceedingly bitter confrontation between the Democrat-led House and a defiant president who has thumbed his nose at institutional norms.

“The actions taken to date by the president have seriously violated the Constitution,” Ms. Pelosi said in a brief speech invoking the nation’s founding principles. Mr. Trump, she added, “must be held accountable — no one is above the law.”

She said the president’s conduct revealed his “betrayal of his oath of office, betrayal of our national security and betrayal of the integrity of our elections.”

Ms. Pelosi’s decision to push forward with the most severe action that Congress can take against a sitting president could usher in a remarkable new chapter in American life, touching off a constitutional and political showdown with the potential to cleave an already divided nation, reshape Mr. Trump’s presidency and the country’s politics, and carry heavy risks both for him and for the Democrats who have decided to weigh his removal.

Though the outcome is uncertain, it also raised the possibility that Mr. Trump could become only the fourth president in American history to face impeachment. Presidents Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton were both impeached but later acquitted by the Senate. President Richard M. Nixon resigned in the face of a looming House impeachment vote.

It was the first salvo in an escalating, high-stakes standoff between Ms. Pelosi, now fully engaged in an effort to build the most damning possible case against the president, and Mr. Trump, who angrily denounced Democrats’ impeachment inquiry even as he worked feverishly in private to head off the risk to his presidency.

Mr. Trump, who for months has dared Democrats to impeach him, issued a defiant response on Twitter while in New York for several days of international diplomacy at the United Nations, with a series of fuming posts that culminated with a simple phrase: “PRESIDENTIAL HARASSMENT!” Meanwhile, his re-election campaign and House Republican leaders launched a vociferous defense, accusing Democrats of a partisan rush to judgment.

“Such an important day at the United Nations, so much work and so much success, and the Democrats purposely had to ruin and demean it with more breaking news Witch Hunt garbage,” Mr. Trump wrote. “So bad for our Country! For the past two years, talk of impeachment had centered around the findings of the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, who investigated Russia’s interference in the 2016 elections and Mr. Trump’s attempts to derail that inquiry. On Tuesday, Ms. Pelosi, Democrat of California, told her caucus and then the country that new revelations about Mr. Trump’s dealings with Ukraine, and his administration’s stonewalling of Congress about them, had finally left the House no choice but to proceed toward a rarely used remedy.

“Right now, we have to strike while the iron is hot,” she told House Democrats in a closed-door meeting in the basement of the Capitol. Emerging moments later to address a phalanx of news cameras, Ms. Pelosi, speaking sometimes haltingly as she delivered a speech from a teleprompter, invoked the Constitution and the nation’s founders as she declared, “The times have found us” and outlined a new stage of investigating Mr. Trump.

At issue are allegations that Mr. Trump pressured the president of Ukraine to open a corruption investigation of former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr., a leading contender for the 2020 Democratic presidential nomination, and his son. The conversation is said to be part of a whistle-blower complaint that the Trump administration has withheld from Congress. And it occurred just a few days after Mr. Trump had ordered his staff to freeze more than $391 million in aid to Ukraine.

Mr. Trump has confirmed aspects of his conversation with the Ukrainian leader in recent days, but he continues to insist he acted appropriately.

The president said on Tuesday that he would authorize the release of a transcript of the conversation, part of an effort to pre-empt Democrats’ impeachment push. But Democrats, after months of holding back, were unbowed, demanding the full whistle-blower complaint and other documentation about White House dealings with Ukraine, even as they pushed toward an expansive impeachment inquiry that could encompass unrelated charges.

President Trump’s personal lawyer. The prosecutor general of Ukraine. Joe Biden’s son. These are just some of the names mentioned in the whistle-blower’s complaint. What were their roles? We break it down.

Ms. Pelosi told fellow Democrats that Mr. Trump told her in a private call on Tuesday morning that he was not responsible for withholding the whistle-blower complaint from Congress. But late Tuesday, the White House and intelligence officials were working on a deal to allow the whistle-blower to speak to Congress and potentially even share a redacted version of the complaint in the coming days, after the whistle-blower expressed interest in talking to lawmakers.

Although Ms. Pelosi’s announcement was a crucial turning point, it left many unanswered questions about exactly when and how Democrats planned to push forward on impeachment.
 
Ostatnio edytowane:
There's nothing that says they have to vote to start the inquiry, it's just an optional part of the process. Trump still has to comply with their supeona's or he's obstructing justice

They aren't fucking subpeonas unless the vote happens to start the inquiry. That's why every single one of them calls it voluntary testimony. They're strongly worded letters and should be ignored as such.

This is basically the DNC, not Congress, having committee hearings on what dirt they can find on Trump to maybe possibly consider trying to impeach him sometime in the future. Possibly. If the stars align.

Trump going full transparency on them completely and utterly FUCKED them. Because again, Trump's not an idiot and oh yeah, the alphabet soup isn't a monolith. I wager not only did he know exactly what they were planning, he was probably warned about it by a mole he has in their little conspiracy.

It's a transparently partisan witch hunt. Basically they're shoving this in subcommittee hell and hoping the idiots on the Squad side of the DNC base are too fucking stupid to realize they're being jerked off, while their CIA glow in the dark assets in media use it as a weapon against ORANGE MAN BAD to try and get the Never Trump NeoCons and the NeoLibs onboard with their coup.

I honestly hope to god it doesn't work because if it does, we'll never have a free election in the US again. They lost. "They" being the establishment elites who had decided IT WAS HUR TURN!!!!. They were literally day one talking about impeaching him. If they actually manage to do so, god save us. It'll literally be a matter of counting down before someone shoots the first politician over it, and then we're off to the races, kids.

Scott Adams had an interesting take on it all. He says it's clearly someone working on manipulation tactics, because you can talk to the NPCs and ask them what, exactly, Trump has done to be impeached. And the answers are completely lacking in logic or details. "If he did this." "If he did that." "He might have done this and if he did, OH BOY." "What? Why? WELL OBVIOUSLY. IF YOU CAN'T SEE YOU'RE JUST SOME SORT OF FUCKING FASH BOOTLICKER!!!"

That's not how any of this fucking works, unless you've literally been manipulated into that position.

Edit: Just to be clear, since apparently the Farms is now the target of a secret court order, the above "shoots the first politician" was hyperbole. It was not mean to be taken literally, nor was it a threat, or a call to violence. If they successfully find a way to force Trump out of the office we will absolutely be in a civil war, there will be no way the right will accept that unless they can successfully convince the majority of the GOP base that Trump NEEDED to be impeached or ousted. With the complete failure of the media in recent years this is literally not possible.
 
Ostatnio edytowane:
There's nothing that says they have to vote to start the inquiry, it's just an optional part of the process. Trump still has to comply with their supeona's or he's obstructing justice
Have mercy on these poor spergs. Please. They have a brain thing that won't let them stop taking your obvious bait.
 
Have mercy on these poor spergs. Please. They have a brain thing that won't let them stop taking your obvious bait.

We all live and work on the event horizon of the black hole that is Poe's Law, man. You only have to look to the twitter feed of any of the folks we study in the lolcow forums, or the communities we watch, to see the same sort of posts in all seriousness all but verbatim.

It's virtually impossible to declare someone "obviously" a troll, when you can just click up a couple forums to see people behaving the same way for real.
 
My understanding was that there was no "due process" because impeachment is an extralegal process.

One of the most poorly understood elements of the powers of American government relates to the House of Representatives. The House and senate together form the most powerful branch of Government. But ALL of their power comes from consensus. An Impeachment Inquiry grants the House certain powers to pry open the affairs of another of the three co-equal branches of Government. Specifically the Executive. But an Impeachment Inquiry is a Special Circumstances. In order to enable and empower said inquiry a Vote must be taken. Without a vote it is two members of the California Congressional Delegation seeking to overthrow the government via extra legal means. Neither Pelosi nor Schiff can simply declare an impeachment inquiry. And those "Subpoenas" they sent out claiming to be an Impeachment Inquiry. Do not write off the chances that Barr decides to prosecute whomever issued them for Perjury.
 
AOC is a modern day Diogenes. She shits congress up, pisses on goodwill, was basically living in a wine barrel before, probably smells like onions and is still alive after insulting the establishment. Prove me wrong.
Diogenese was looking for an honest man.

She's looking for another apple she can eat through an ICE facility fence.
 
Diogenes was the first troll. I'm shocked he's not considered the patron saint of KF. I mean, come on, you have Plato sardonically commenting on how man was 'a featherless biped' and Diogenes runs in with a plucked chicken and yells, 'BEHOLD, A MAN!'.

Jokes aside, imagine the salt if AG Barr decided to whomp on the House exceptionals over those 'strongly worded letters'.
 
I don't think this is working out for her or the dems
 
The Trump CURSE IS REAL!
What happened to Cummings is sad.

In 2016, he came out against Bernie Sanders, saying he doesn't remember Bernie at Civil Rights marches. There were photos putting the two of them together at 10 feet. Since then, he's been rolled out to support every Democratic photo op that requires an African American face. He finally gained prominence in the House at the cost of becoming a token for progressive groups that never cared about what he had to say. He's an example of the worst Capitol Hill can do to a person.

The truth is Cummings had been sick since 2015, getting around on a scooter and having questions and speeches prepared for him by other offices. No one wanted to work with him, most of his staff were interns looking to score jobs lobbying for pharma / big tech. His local office had been flooded a couple years ago, still smells like mold and people have gotten sick just visiting. Word was heart disease but the several of the doctors he was seeing at Johns Hopkins were Cancer specialists - which begs the question, did anyone actually tell him what he was dealing with. He's a public figure, people can put the facts together, and keeping an elected official in the dark about their condition is not unheard of.

He will probably get a big funeral in Baltimore, there will be a lot of speeches, some television coverage, etc, but it will all be to make the Democrats look better. No one remembers any of the issues that actually got him elected in the first place. HUD is being renamed the Department of Welfare, the Federal minimum wage remains below the living wage, the Voter Rights Act has been gutted, the Southern Border is porous (yes, he was originally anti-immigrant), and Stenny Hoyer still stands in the way of him making it to the Senate (Cummings hated Hoyer with a passion, watch for the praise the Senator will heap at his funeral.)

Cummings leaves behind several kids and a brother who are all rich, along with a wife who runs the Maryland Democratic Party. Without the clout of her husband, her ouster is already being discussed. The Dems control about 80% of elected seats in Maryland, lots of competing interests waiting to club each other over the head for the top spot in peddling influence. Everyone will be scrambling to figure out what "non-profits" should now receive their contributions - especially his friends from China.

The system was finished with him before Trump got to office. Joke of a figurehead for progressives wanting to look like they're not racist. There will be a special election to select his replacement, who will likely be worse given the current state of the Republic.
 
If impeachment was a popular stance, you'd have to be holding these people by the arms to keep them from barreling into the room to immediately hold a vote. The Democrats have the majority in the House, they could easily pass the resolution and introduce Impeachment to the Senate. It would immediately get slapped down by the Republican-controlled Senate, but that would be an enormous boon to their election / re-election campaigns.

"We've made every possible effort to remove this criminal from office but we don't have the political power to do this. Please vote for us so we can oust him from office."

If the general public believed that Trump was legitimately a criminal and they also believed--even to the tune of 51%-- that impeachment was the appropriate course of action, they would immediately be in the room trying to slam down that vote as hard as they could. It's incredibly telling to me that they aren't doing that, and are now finally publicly admitting that they won't be doing that.

It's a shame, I was hoping they were stupid enough to go for it.

Lets cut the BS

Do you have a memo or witness that says Trump pressured Ukraine to go after Sleepy Joe?

if you don't you have nothing

"But Joe was a Presidential Candidate."

Presidents [and their subordinates] will communicate with their peers about transnational criminal conduct. Not all of that conduct will be good enough to make a legal case on.

You could make a better case that Trump knew there would be a crisis on the border due to his actions and maliciously [Or negligently] abused his power and harmed people.

You can supeona people, have witnesses, and build a case

G7 went to a trump resort

Did Trump decide or was their a federally appropriate bid process?

Want to impeach trump do your jobs
 
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