US President Donald J. Trump Impeachment Megathread - Democrats commit mass political suicide

On September 24th, 2019, Nanci Pelosi did what everyone expected was some exceptional political posturing -- initiating a formal impeachment inquiry against President Donald Trump.

The initial "charge," such as it was, was "betraying his oath of office and the nation's security by seeking to enlist a foreign power to tarnish a rival for his own political gain." This, amusingly, was after it was discovered and widely reported on that the DNC had contacted the very same foreign power to attempt to tarnish Trump.

Specifically, this was all based on a rumor that Trump had asked the Ukraine to investigate how a prosecutor investigating Joe Biden's son for corruption had gotten fired, and withheld foreign aid until they had agreed. (He did ask the leader of the Ukraine to investigate what happened with the prosecutor, but did not hold up any foreign aid nor threaten anything of the like.)

Around this time, Trump did something they could not, and still cannot, understand: He publicly turned over all the documents. The transcript of the phone call they claimed showed him committing the crime of blackmailing the Ukraine into investigating Joe Biden for him was released, showing that Trump did nothing wrong. The only reaction the radical left had was arguing over the definition of "transcript" and spouting off a conspiracy theory about official state documents being edited.

At the same time, old video evidence of Joe Biden publicly bragging about blackmailing the Ukraine into NOT investigating his son came to light. Yes, this is exactly what they're accusing Trump of doing. The left is nothing if not subtle. Right after this, evidence came to light that Pelosi, Kerry, and Romney's kids had similar fake jobs in the Ukraine, getting paid ungodly amounts of money and embezzling US foreign aid to the Ukraine -- all things that Trump's Attorney General has openly discussed investigating.

By releasing the transcripts, the DNC was tripped up. Instead of being able to leak information from their secret investigation until November 2020, they were forced to play their hand publicly.

And they had no hand to play. The impeachment accusations came from second and third hand sources -- watercooler talk from Unelected Deep State Analysts with Trump Derangement Syndrome, outraged that President Trump refused to obey them when they felt they had a better idea as to how to run Foreign Affairs. Other allegations included that supposedly, the telepathic DNC members working in the state department knew what Trump was thinking (despite him literally saying the exact opposite) or could tell that Trump would do something even worse -- maybe something actually illegal -- in the future, and boy howdy, the imaginary Trump in their minds was a right bastard.

(As an aside, the name of the whistleblower, Eric Ciaramella, has been censored across pretty much all social media, a test run of whatever censorship they're going to enact in the next few months to try and swing the election.)

At the same time, the DNC performed significant amounts of partisan political fuckery to do this all publicly, but unofficially -- preventing the GOP from bringing forth witnesses or questioning the DNC's witnesses, or even reading the double plus secret evidence the DNC supposedly had. Those GOP that did get access to the evidence have confirmed it's a 3 pound 5 ounce nothingburger.

The charges have since mutated, with them initially being changed to "bribery" -- as "bribery" focus groups easier and is easier to spew out on Twitter.

On December 18th, 2019, along party lines and with bipartisan opposition, they finally drafted their articles of impeachment -- first for "Abuse of Power" and second for "Obstruction of Congress." Neither are actually crimes nor are they impeachable offenses, even if they were true -- which the DNC has provided no evidence of, explaining that it's the Senate's job to investigate and find the evidence.

Narrator: It is not the Senate's job to investigate and find the evidence.

The "Obstruction of Congress" charge is particularly egregious, as they are claiming that Trump, by reaching out to the courts to act as mediators in his dispute over the rules with Pelosi, was obstructing her. In other words, Pelosi's stance is that the President must obey her, even if she's being a batshit insane drunk. Many legal scholars, including Alan Dershowitz, have pointed out that this is absolute bullshit.

The latest development as of this writing on December 21th, 2019, is that Pelosi is demanding that the GOP recuse itself, allowing the DNC to reshape the Senate in order to make the process "fair" -- by creating a Kangaroo court. The GOP is refusing outright, as the Senate's role during this is very specifically to take the charges and all the evidence gathered from the house -- which is none -- and vote yes or no on impeachment. They need 2/3rd majority to vote yes, and the DNC does not have the votes.

Pelosi is refusing to send over the articles of impeachment until the GOP allows her to stack the Senate against Trump, an act that Dershowitz as well as Noah Feldman, the DNC's own star legal expert witness, has said is unconstitutional and "a problem," as Trump isn't impeached until the articles have been filed. Meanwhile, the DNC has put the House on vacation until the new year, while the Senate is exploring options including forcing the articles over without Pelosi's ok. Trump and the Senate have both went to the SCOTUS to ask them if any of this is constitutional.

tl;dr: Trump may have found where the Swamp was embezzling US Foreign Aid. Many politician's children working fake jobs for huge amounts of money in the Ukraine, blatantly selling influence. This caused the DNC to freak out and try and headshot Trump. They missed. The Democrats appear to have committed political suicide, making Trump a Martyr and only realizing in the aftermath that they didn't actually get rid of him or even weaken him in any way. They also appear to realize they fucked up and are trying to slow walk it back, keeping the "he's impeached!" victory while not actually having to let anyone read the evidence or have a trial on it.


@Yotsubaaa did a great writeup here with links to various winner posts: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/nancy...kraine-phone-call.61583/page-135#post-5606264

And @Yotsubaaa did a new version very late on the 21st of December: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/presi...chment-megathread.61583/page-260#post-5754920

Which are too big to quote here.



https://archive.fo/oVGIv

WASHINGTON — Speaker Nancy Pelosi announced on Tuesday that the House would initiate a formal impeachment inquiry against President Trump, charging him with betraying his oath of office and the nation’s security by seeking to enlist a foreign power to tarnish a rival for his own political gain.

Ms. Pelosi’s declaration, after months of reticence by Democrats who had feared the political consequences of impeaching a president many of them long ago concluded was unfit for office, was a stunning turn that set the stage for a history-making and exceedingly bitter confrontation between the Democrat-led House and a defiant president who has thumbed his nose at institutional norms.

“The actions taken to date by the president have seriously violated the Constitution,” Ms. Pelosi said in a brief speech invoking the nation’s founding principles. Mr. Trump, she added, “must be held accountable — no one is above the law.”

She said the president’s conduct revealed his “betrayal of his oath of office, betrayal of our national security and betrayal of the integrity of our elections.”

Ms. Pelosi’s decision to push forward with the most severe action that Congress can take against a sitting president could usher in a remarkable new chapter in American life, touching off a constitutional and political showdown with the potential to cleave an already divided nation, reshape Mr. Trump’s presidency and the country’s politics, and carry heavy risks both for him and for the Democrats who have decided to weigh his removal.

Though the outcome is uncertain, it also raised the possibility that Mr. Trump could become only the fourth president in American history to face impeachment. Presidents Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton were both impeached but later acquitted by the Senate. President Richard M. Nixon resigned in the face of a looming House impeachment vote.

It was the first salvo in an escalating, high-stakes standoff between Ms. Pelosi, now fully engaged in an effort to build the most damning possible case against the president, and Mr. Trump, who angrily denounced Democrats’ impeachment inquiry even as he worked feverishly in private to head off the risk to his presidency.

Mr. Trump, who for months has dared Democrats to impeach him, issued a defiant response on Twitter while in New York for several days of international diplomacy at the United Nations, with a series of fuming posts that culminated with a simple phrase: “PRESIDENTIAL HARASSMENT!” Meanwhile, his re-election campaign and House Republican leaders launched a vociferous defense, accusing Democrats of a partisan rush to judgment.

“Such an important day at the United Nations, so much work and so much success, and the Democrats purposely had to ruin and demean it with more breaking news Witch Hunt garbage,” Mr. Trump wrote. “So bad for our Country! For the past two years, talk of impeachment had centered around the findings of the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, who investigated Russia’s interference in the 2016 elections and Mr. Trump’s attempts to derail that inquiry. On Tuesday, Ms. Pelosi, Democrat of California, told her caucus and then the country that new revelations about Mr. Trump’s dealings with Ukraine, and his administration’s stonewalling of Congress about them, had finally left the House no choice but to proceed toward a rarely used remedy.

“Right now, we have to strike while the iron is hot,” she told House Democrats in a closed-door meeting in the basement of the Capitol. Emerging moments later to address a phalanx of news cameras, Ms. Pelosi, speaking sometimes haltingly as she delivered a speech from a teleprompter, invoked the Constitution and the nation’s founders as she declared, “The times have found us” and outlined a new stage of investigating Mr. Trump.

At issue are allegations that Mr. Trump pressured the president of Ukraine to open a corruption investigation of former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr., a leading contender for the 2020 Democratic presidential nomination, and his son. The conversation is said to be part of a whistle-blower complaint that the Trump administration has withheld from Congress. And it occurred just a few days after Mr. Trump had ordered his staff to freeze more than $391 million in aid to Ukraine.

Mr. Trump has confirmed aspects of his conversation with the Ukrainian leader in recent days, but he continues to insist he acted appropriately.

The president said on Tuesday that he would authorize the release of a transcript of the conversation, part of an effort to pre-empt Democrats’ impeachment push. But Democrats, after months of holding back, were unbowed, demanding the full whistle-blower complaint and other documentation about White House dealings with Ukraine, even as they pushed toward an expansive impeachment inquiry that could encompass unrelated charges.

President Trump’s personal lawyer. The prosecutor general of Ukraine. Joe Biden’s son. These are just some of the names mentioned in the whistle-blower’s complaint. What were their roles? We break it down.

Ms. Pelosi told fellow Democrats that Mr. Trump told her in a private call on Tuesday morning that he was not responsible for withholding the whistle-blower complaint from Congress. But late Tuesday, the White House and intelligence officials were working on a deal to allow the whistle-blower to speak to Congress and potentially even share a redacted version of the complaint in the coming days, after the whistle-blower expressed interest in talking to lawmakers.

Although Ms. Pelosi’s announcement was a crucial turning point, it left many unanswered questions about exactly when and how Democrats planned to push forward on impeachment.
 
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He also showed up to Lincoln's 2nd inauguration drunk off his ass. Keep in mind this is also his inauguration as vice president. He gave a speech the content and quality of which did not land it a spot in posterity as required to be read American political literature.

This event was so famous and so embarrassing to Republicans that it was even mentioned during the impeachment process. Thaddeus Stevens, the leader of the movement to impeach Johnson in the house once said in regards to Johnson: "I don't want to hurt the man's feelings by telling him he is a rascal. I'd rather put it mildly, and say he hasn't got off that inaugural drunk yet, and just let him retire to get sobered."

"I was never so mortified in my life, had I been able to find a hole I would have dropped through it out of sight," Zechariah Chandler, Republican Senator from Michigan, who was at the inauguration.

Despite this, Johnson later won a seat in the Senate.
 
It didn't help that in sharp contrast to Lincoln's 'let 'em up easy' view on reintegrating the South, Johnson was a raging jackass who demanded Confederates beg him personally for leniency, and who tried to get Robert E. Lee and other former Confederates arrested -- only to be brought up short by General Grant, who flat out said, 'Unless they violate their parole (i.e., start doing shit), you can piss off.'
 
They're two goons who shifted millions in funds to a pro-Trump PAC under dufferent names, and moved smaller amounts to Pete Sessions, a former Republican Senator who pressed for the original US Ambassador to Ukraine to resign. They also pressured various Ukrainians to look closer into Biden. Guiliani represents them as a lawyer. He met with them the day before they got caught trying to flee the country.

Basically Guiliani was unhappy with the fact that they weren't making enough headway in digging up dirt on Biden, so he sent these two to spread cash around the Republican administration to "influence" certain hiring decisions with regards to the Ambassador to Ukraine. It worked because she got yeeted right after.

This plays into the impeachment process as these two seem to be Guiliani's main enforcers who JUST SO HAPPENED to be doing exactly what the President needed to be done to investigate Biden. Gotta admit, Trump's a genius. In order to investigate corruption he surrounded himself with people even more demonstrably corrupt.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/giuli...or-fruman-arrested-on-campaign-finance-charge

Two sentence horror for A&H:

"What's the deal with the two people attached to Guiliani?" you type and then hit post. @Ashy the Angel answers your question.
 
What Ashy was actually saying there is that Trump pulling out of Turkey is causing him to lose power over the Republicans, and for the Republicans to become fractured as the warhawk elements of the party get more and more upset by this decision.

Which is dumb, because neoconservative warhawkery has been completely shitcanned ever since McCain died, and even the dumbest hack should see the writing on the wall for that ideology by now.

Ashy may be an malicious idiot with a self-contradictory ideology who can only regurgitate MSM headlines, woke Tweets, and already refuted arguments, but at least represent his arguments accurately.
No, I get what he’s saying, I’m just not a fan of how it was characterized. I think it’s worth rooting for Trump to “shit in their mouths” if it means the right actually grows enough of a conscience to maybe think for a second before we stick our dick into other countries and fuck everything up.
 
Trump did something the CIA doesn't want him to and they want him overthrown. If this succeeds all it proves is don't fuck with the CIA's plans. Don't trust spooks.
Oh. Do you all think the Syria withdraw might be related to this?

Also.... Ashy might have a point here, between the whole Syria thing and the fact there are plenty of politicians who are merely pretending to like Trump (Lindsy Graham comes to mind) that would love to get rid of him or chain him down. 'Course, if they did that they kill their party at this point, but I think that goes without saying.

Two sentence horror for A&H:

"What's the deal with the two people attached to Guiliani?" you type and then hit post. @Ashy the Angel answers your question.
Well thats what happens if you try to pretend that issue doesn't exist for several hours; A&H only has themselves to blame there.
 
Politicians, all of them, should be assumed to be trash unless proven beyond doubt to be otherwise, especially if they're alive AND in office. I hold them in equal regard to prostitutes, for the same reasons: It is for the nature of the work that society keeps them in disdain, yet both shall be present in any society, under any form of government, regardless. Whether any society can long function without either remains to be seen.
I couldn't have said it better myself. Nothing more than legislative whores ready to spread open their lawbooks for (((anyone))) with a few shekels
 
And Jesus Christ why the fuck would you complain about the president strong-arming the party into pulling out of a war for the first time in a fucking century.
Literal autism. I remember when faggots like these WANTED to get out of the Middle East and stop all the wars there. Now they’re gungho for Eternal War because Orange Kike Bad. And the sad part is I’m not even talking about 10-15 years ago during the Iraq War. I’m talking about shit that involved Trump and Iran not even 2 months ago (they were right but still these niggers can’t even keep their anti-war facade up for a fucking day if it involves Trump getting us out of an area we shouldn’t be in and defending out troops (the #1 priority on the battlefield, not some ragtag group of sandniggers) safe, even if only for a bit)
 
Oh. Do you all think the Syria withdraw might be related to this?

Also.... Ashy might have a point here, between the whole Syria thing and the fact there are plenty of politicians who are merely pretending to like Trump (Lindsy Graham comes to mind) that would love to get rid of him or chain him down. 'Course, if they did that they kill their party at this point, but I think that goes without saying.


Well thats what happens if you try to pretend that issue doesn't exist for several hours; A&H only has themselves to blame there.

This is exactly why people voting for an Independant or a non- viable figurehead are throwing away their votes.
It's also why Clinton will be the only way for the Dems to regain a facade of unity. Pretty scary.
 
I feel sorry for Giuliani. Dude helped bring down the mafia and now he's gonna be thrown under the bus because Trump can't fight corruption in his opponents except through using his own corruption.

Stop telling Ashy to fuck off. He gets to spout his ridiculous bullshit just like you do. Attack the bullshit, tear it apart piece by piece and laugh at it all as much as you like, (or ignore him as much as you like, if you really want him to stop) but stop telling him to stop posting. I can't read another thread that has become the 'boy Ashy is dumb' hour for two pages every time he posts.
It really is Something Awful.

1. Trump has lied multiple times about not knowing people he actually clearly knows whenever he wants to insult or distance himself from somebody. He does this constantly. Its one of the many ways he likes to be a petty dipshit whenever he's being criticized, and its one of the oldest plays in the book.

2. This didn't happen a decade ago. It happened last year and they had dinner together...he INVITED THEM. So either Trump's just extremely forgetful due to brain worms (highly likely) or he's just doing the only smart thing to do in this situation and lying about it. Either way Guiliani is most likely getting his goose cooked, and then its simply a question of if he'll flip on his master.



I used to believe this but the longer things go on the more his stronghold on the Republican party seems to slip. Just recently he blasted Fox News just because they put up a poll that showed people had begun to favor him getting impeached. Trump retweets and quotes Fox constantly and the network tends to slurp his anus whenever humanly possible...but one wrong mis-step and he's after them. How long do you think Republicans will be content with being his little whipping boy, cowering and staying in line for fear of triggering a twitter rampage? This unity you seem so sure of seems to slip away further and further each day, especially with moves like pulling back from Turkey upsetting all the warhawks in the party.

Either way I find it extremely amusing. Either the Republicans are spineless wimps willing to let Trump shit in their mouths just to win elections, or they grow a spinal cord and finally put him on a leash.
Republicans are much less monolithic than they look from your vantage point and Trump has had a mixed history with Fox News in any case.
 
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Republicans are much less monolithic than they look from your vantage point and Trump has had a mixed history with Fox News in any case.

The poll is also rigged, 48% D vs. 34 R-level bullshit.

Even if every single R in that poll said no to impeachment they'd have hit the numbers, just by taking 7% of independents.
 
Either way I find it extremely amusing. Either the Republicans are spineless wimps willing to let Trump shit in their mouths just to win elections, or they grow a spinal cord and finally put him on a leash.

If they throw trump out like Trash the Dems will still shit on them and make them their bitches.

With Trump he is taking 90% of the blame
 
The poll is also rigged, 48% D vs. 34 R-level bullshit.

Even if every single R in that poll said no to impeachment they'd have hit the numbers, just by taking 7% of independents.
Sadly, there are more registered Democrats than Republicans. Seeing that reflected in a national poll with random participants doesn't surprise me.

The thing is, many Democrats are uncomfortable with the primary candidates. As they start to play to the far left to win contests, there's going to be some attrition. You have to remember, there are entire unions that feel threatened by the Green New Deal. Even if they don't vote R, they are not going to vote D.

So, yeah, at this point in time, I'm happy to accept those numbers. If they start to go South, the GOP can step in and defend their man. People's support for Impeachment will be influenced by the rhetoric of the Left, which will only erode as candidates become more extreme pandering to communists, feminists, and identitarians.
 
If they throw trump out like Trash the Dems will still shit on them and make them their bitches.

With Trump he is taking 90% of the blame
Like I said, that goes without saying; But don't underestimate how much some people in the GOP hate Trump, I'm certain at least a few of them would be fine with killing their party if it mean freeing themselves from the Populist; Even though the ones more open about this either died of old age or got voted out, there definately are a few snakes left who wish for the good old days when they were the opposition party.
 
The immigration stuff and not turning America into a second world junkyard where everybody pilfers it is a big reason why President Trump is so ferociously fought, but it might not even be the principal reason he is so despised by the establishment. He's the first president this century to say or do anything against America's multi-trillion dollar Eternal Bungling calling itself a war on a political tactic. Every single time he attempts to stop the Eternal Bungling, the entire establishment comes crashing down on him.

The impeachment investigation would be the Fake Because to vote him out for trying to stop the Eternal Bungling.
Remember this February when everybody voted against a proposed troop withdrawal from Afghanistan and Syria?


WASHINGTON — The Senate voted on Thursday to back Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell's challenge to President Donald Trump's plans to withdraw U.S. troops from Afghanistan and Syria. The chamber, in a 68-23 vote, advanced a nonbinding amendment proposed by McConnell, R-Ky. The amendment, which would be attached to a bill on broader U.S. policy in the Middle East, warns that a precipitous withdrawal of U.S. forces from the two countries "could allow terrorists to regroup, destabilize critical regions, and create vacuums that could be filled by Iran or Russia, to the detriment of the United States interests and those of our allies."

The Turkey and Syria and Afghanistan issue is the thing behind the scenes of impeachment. These war pigs are mighty tempted to railroad him out of office.
 
Like I said, that goes without saying; But don't underestimate how much some people in the GOP hate Trump, I'm certain at least a few of them would be fine with killing their party if it mean freeing themselves from the Populist; Even though the ones more open about this either died of old age or got voted out, there definately are a few snakes left who wish for the good old days when they were the opposition party.

And *I* am a registered Republican. And at one point I was a party activist (and at another a paid party staffer)

If the Democrats could handle their business against trump they could sell me on Impeachment. The fact they are doing such a demonstrably stupid job at it is making me support trump
 
Oh. Do you all think the Syria withdraw might be related to this?

He's fucking up the project for a New American Century. They're trying to work through their hit-list of Iran's proxies and Trump is putting up much more resistance to it than Obama.

Whether or not he understood who's toes he was stepping on when he first took an anti-interventionist stance, he clearly does now. He seemed content to leave things in limbo after the CIA's Russiagate gambit failed and even gave them a peace-offering in the form of a more aggressive (but still non-interventionist) stance towards Iran. However, they're now trying for round 2 and in response Trump is working not just to stymie, but to actively undo their scheming in Syria as punishment.

On a side note: it is dispiriting watching midwit liberals who imagine themselves well-informed rant about the "Military-Industrial Complex" red herring when these are clearly just goons and profiteers, and not calling the shots in any way. The "inexplicable" force that keeps pulling the US into the sandpit (as though it were a black hole) is clearly Israel, as I'm sure most here understand, and the nexus of power from which it puppeteers the US is clearly the CIA and associated "Intelligence Community".

If there is going to be any hope of changing US foreign policy for the better, it needs to be dismantled. Brick by god damn brick.
 

Michael Atkinson, the Intelligence Community's inspector general, told members of Congress that the whistleblower had a "professional tie" to a 2020 Democratic candidate. He had written earlier that while the whistleblower's complaint was credible, he had shown "some indicia of an arguable political bias ... in favor of a rival political candidate."

A retired CIA officer told the Washington Examiner, “From everything we know about the whistleblower and his work in the executive branch then, there is absolutely no doubt he would have been working with Biden when he was vice president."

Quelle surprise. But, in his defense:

"First, our client has never worked for or advised a political candidate, campaign, or party," said Andrew Bakaj and Mark Zaid. "Second, our client has spent their entire government career in apolitical, civil servant positions in the Executive Branch."

That's some lawyerin words if'n I've ever seen 'em. He didn't advise or work for a political candidate, they had already won the election! No longer a candidate, guh-hyuck.
 
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