Undertale / Deltarune / Toby Fox Discussion

[TyrasGuard]

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The one thing I got out of Asgore's vaugeposting at the end of the chapter, was that it seems like Monster Souls just, straight up don't exist in Deltarune. If you take this at face value, as I am, this seems to be saying that all Lightners have those colored human souls from Undertale, regardless if they're human or not. Since there isn't really a dynamic of Humans and Monsters anymore, I feel like this makes sense.

This would also imply that Kris originally had a Cyan Soul. But that one has been either extracted or destroyed. Also, if this is true that every Lightner has a soul like this, Susie 100% has a Red Soul.

It's a bit weird because of how our soul exists and interacts with things. Kris being the only human in town doesn't help either. Can anyone just take their souls out too?

It makes less sense to me if they have souls like humans do. It's something that they would've established in the beginning, I feel.

 

[Cucktry Roads]

What is the lore on the serial killer bird? Should I listen to him?
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So in undertale there was the Gaster Follower 3 npc that gave info on Gaster, but did not have a normal version in game (I think all other gaster npcs did).

In chapter 1 you meet Onionsan at the beach who tells you to come back tomorrow. In Chapter 2, he tells you that he's been hearing a song from the deep and will explore it.

Meanwhile, in chapter 1 that Striped Bird npc, which is the normal version of the Gaster Follower 3 is blocking the library stairs telling you how interesting the books upstairs are (they appear to all be very relevant lorebooks to what is about to happen in the story.) In chapter 2 he is upstairs, blocking some of the bookcases and saying the same thing. In chapter 4, he can be seen blocking onionsan spot, saying broken stuff like "Wait no". If you go back to the beach spot during the night, Susie will say your friend probably isn't coming.

Then you get the chapter 5. In the Weird Route, Susie states that the stand the striped bird normally mans was unmanned all day. Then when Noelle and Kris are drowning, it looks like they may be going into a portal from below. In the normal route, the striped bird is manning the octopus ball stand, Susie says that they taste like Onions. The bird also says something along the lines of "It only costs 2G. It only costs free." Gold was Undertale's currency while DR uses Dollars.

The theory is that the striped bird is likely a parrot, that's parroting things its heard but not understand them. People think it killed Onionsan and served him as food during the festival. If the portal in the lake leads to the depths, which likely leads to Gaster, then Onionsan may have been getting too close and needed to be taken care of. People also think it may have done something with Ramb too.

 

[Irrational Exuberance]

It is said that he killed Onion-san for knowing too much about the la

I can't believe normal npc kills anybody mentioning the la

Who are the "pa"?

 

[Oilspill Battery]

OPENED A DARK WORLD IN THE BANDO. MY CRACK PIPE HAD THE FREEDOM MOTIF
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whats bando

 

[my penis is on fire]

whats bando

Per this Genius annotation from Dracula Flow 5:

 

[AMHOLIO]

Fuck, now I gotta play this "Deltarune" to see what the fuss is all about.

I think this is one of the reasons I'm a kiwi, the more I see something, the more I push back. Contrarian for no good reason.

 

[D.Angus]

My thoughts on Chapter 5 summed up in an image:

The cromulence is intentional.

 

[Super Guido]

I think this is one of the reasons I'm a kiwi, the more I see something, the more I push back. Contrarian for no good reason.

People trying to get you to do shit you don't want (or need) to do IS pretty damn annoying.

 

[You Can't Un'Ape The Doe]

In chapter 1 you meet Onionsan at the beach who tells you to come back tomorrow. In Chapter 2, he tells you that he's been hearing a song from the deep and will explore it.

can't you also go in chapter 3 or 4 with susie, where Onionsan will be suspicious of Susie and not tell Kris anything

 

[Moral Decay]

what? i have never seen this stand in the game. i thought this screenshot was fake?

Its absolutely fake. Normalnpc is too busy blocking the library staircase in Chapter 1 to be killing anybody. Or at least, to cook and sell the remains.

I feel like Pink referencing Muffet was intended to be a way to show she's around without actually having to show her.

 

[Tinnitus]

The bird knows that gaster is listening in UT.
Of the NPCs only he, the SOVL Kris & Sans have directly referenced Undertale.

Onion only has done it indirectly by talking about that song below the lake and got taken to the meat factory to have his tentacles chopped off.

can't you also go in chapter 3 or 4 with susie, where Onionsan will be suspicious of Susie and not tell Kris anything

Onion is only available in Ch 1 & 2.

Susie leaves after Onion tells Kris "i told you to come alone".

The other chapters you & Susie just talk to the murder bird & Onion being busy/gone.

 

[Gay Sex Enjoyer]

Fuck, now I gotta play this "Deltarune" to see what the fuss is all about.

On the off chance you aren't just joking, I hope you enjoy it.

It's a bullethell turn-based rpg game inspired by stuff like the Mother series and Touhou about a bunch of teenagers saving the world with the power of friendship, so if that's not your thing then you may not find much to like.

 

[You Can't Un'Ape The Doe]

On the off chance you aren't just joking, I hope you enjoy it.

It's a bullethell turn-based rpg game inspired by stuff like the Mother series and Touhou about a bunch of teenagers saving the world with the power of friendship, so if that's not your thing then you may not find much to like.

The game's fun if you can stand the retardation and troonslop

 

[Gay Sex Enjoyer]

I have a high tolerance at this point given the crowds I've had to put up with as A Gay . I think that it really is an enjoyable game if you can keep in mind that it's made by a dude that was friends with the guy who made Homestuck. There are gemeralds among the coal.

 

[Symbol of the Chud]

Remember that for all the faggotry and troonslop in the game, the Weird Route literally gives the "people" that enjoy that shit nightmares and genuinely upsets them. I get a lot of Schadenfreude as a result of that. A fanbase famous for screaming at people for not playing a game "LIKE UR SUPPOZED 2!" for Undertale now have to put up with a route where I get to mind rape the deer into embracing her inner chud and indirectly implying she doesn't care about the lesbian shit at all.

 

[Sneaky lurker]

I have a high tolerance at this point given the crowds I've had to put up with as A Gay . I think that it really is an enjoyable game if you can keep in mind that it's made by a dude that was friends with the guy who made Homestuck. There are gemeralds among the coal.

Homestuck was pretty gemmy until act 4.

 

[Duke-Diggler]

On the off chance you aren't just joking, I hope you enjoy it.

It's a bullethell turn-based rpg game inspired by stuff like the Mother series and Touhou about a bunch of teenagers saving the world with the power of friendship, so if that's not your thing then you may not find much to like.

In all seriousness, I do enjoy playing Undertale and I have already got deltarune in my library. Just gotta have time to play it.

It just feels like more of the irrational seething hatred of the fandom that gets Alogs easily trolled.

 

[Symbol of the Chud]

In all seriousness, I do enjoy playing Undertale and I have already got deltarune in my library. Just gotta have time to play it.

It just feels like more of the irrational seething hatred of the fandom that gets Alogs easily trolled.

The largest problem that Undertale has isn't Toby Fox or the Troony Helpers who sometimes seem to invite themselves along to help with gamedev, it's the fact that the established major playerbase is so cancerous that Toby has to play to their cancer.
It's like, it would've been an amazing twist to really hammer in the fact that the Player and Kris are two separate entities if after Chapter 1 ended, Kris was solely referred to as he, but that would shatter the 4302493039 they/them citations that existed even early on and make the retarded fanbase lose their minds.

I just hope that Toby doesn't bottle it and delete the literal only things making Noelle an interesting character in the normal route. There's absolutely nothing that indicates that Susie and Noelle's relationship is going to work out except Toby being kind of a faggot when it comes to hamfisted yuri.
But he has the ability to send everyone to yuri niggerhell with a single stroke if nothing comes of it.

 

[Cryogonal2]

Speaking of the CORE, and now we're getting potentially more involvement from Gaster, who both created and apparently fell into the core, I just want to bring the symbol that you see almost immediately upon entering the core in Undertale to attention.
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Of course I know the Delta Rune exists in UT lore, but I just feel like it's worth mentioning considering everything else that's going on.
Going with this theory, that there's some sort of simulation in the CORE that somehow generates the energy that powers the underground in UT, then it may well be the case that "Suzy" also fell into the core.
What doesn't make as much sense is Sans in this case clearly having some level of relation to his UT self, unless you also go with the time loop theory, and Sans managed to escape from the CORE simulation. I don't really like Simulation Theory much, though.
But if I had to schiz out a unified theory for this and a bunch of other schizophrenia that has been posted, then I guess it'd go something like
- Gaster makes the core
- Gaster trips and falls into his own creation
- For some reason, he can't leave
- Sans does ??? (i fucking hate this asshole, self-aware NPC who escapes? But then why is Grillbys (albeit with a changed sign) there?) (Maybe he was designed as something like a monitoring program?)
- An iteration of Sans escapes, becoming the UT Sans
- Time Resets
- Flowey ends up going in, too, becoming Ralsei?
- At some point after everyone else has left the Underground, "Suzy" somehow trips and falls into the CORE?


Yeah, there's a whole lot of reaching going on here, hopefully it doesn't come to this.

I think there's something eerie about the clam goner directly telling you that you're going to meet her neighbor Suzy very soon, and she's just not in Undertale. What did Toby mean by this

 

[my penis is on fire]

Fuck, now I gotta play this "Deltarune" to see what the fuss is all about.

Play up to the end of Chapter 4 yourself, then just watch someone else play Chapter 5 on youtube. Most of the game is good, but there's a very particular point where the game stops respecting your time.