San Diego Islamic Center shooting

In the Imam's video the first thing he says is that the children in the school are safe. Was the mosque hosting some kind of kids event, and that's why this was done on a Monday? Hard to tell because there's also a charter school nearby. Either way it sounds like this could've been much worse.

Per google reviews, mosque has a nursery school (a bunch of churches and synagogues also have these)
 
Have an ex-Muslim friend who told me most of their attitudes are like this. Says they're all deeply resentful of any other religions and see you as an enemy that needs to be killed or forcibly converted. Muslims believe the entire world was once Islamic and Satan took what was rightfully theirs, hence why they use the turn revert rather than convert. They also deeply insecure qnd seethe that they have to come here to make a decent living in the land of the kuffar because their home countries are so shit (but never seem to connect the dots and think maybe their religion is the cause of that). They HATE us and would subjugate us in an instant if they had the numbers.
This is what us Jews keep trying to tell you. The ones who keep their shit together (I'm talking about the UAE) are fine because they're trying to become the Muslim version of Israel. But every other country/group sees you and women as slaves. There's a reason why Islam was convert or die. With Christianity it was only "convert or die" if you were an idol worshiper or something, and that directly is lifted from Judaism. That's why the Jews weren't targeted for a crusade by the church directly (as opposed to the cathers), But for the Muslims simply believing in Jesus isn't enough, you HAVE to believe in Muhammad or you're a pagan/ heretic.

Ignore the fact that Islam directly believes a) Jesus existed b) was born of virgin birth c) didn't die but assented to heaven. They believe the core elements of jesus HOWEVER because you won't acknowledge their pedo prophet you're a subhuman who should be killed (it's just that Jews should be the first killed because they don't even believe in Jesus).

It's baked in to their faith. Jews don't believe in Jesus (expect the fact historically is that there was a guy named Jesus) because for us he didn't "pass the smell test" when it comes to our laws (and still doesn't). We just don't want you imposing your faith on us (again because we don't see it as "kosher" because it doesn't pass the smell test). But we don't think we need to "stop Christianity" on a global scale, just when it comes to preventing us from practicing judaism (remember for thousands of years Judaism existed along side outright pagan/polytheism and the Jews only started killing when they weren't allowed to practice their faith, also remember judaism does not evangelize it's not a thing, islam sees it as antithetical to the existence of their faith.

Think about it this way, islam says Muhammad was the last prophet, if you run around saying "that's bullshit for xyz reasons" the messages of Mohammed are/become useless as compared to islam the "proof" of Jesus and his miracles are far stronger. If you're a Jew and you go "this Jesus stuff is bullshit" it doesn't invalidate your whole faith, at worse both Christians and Jews think the other is "waisting time". The two faiths aren't in contradiction to each other (as we both believe in what you call the OT and see it as our respective foundation). Islam on the other hand doesn't follow the OT it has "it's own version" and thus will always be in conflict because the two contradict each other. In no part does the NT rewrite the OT, if anything it "reinterprets" parts of it. Islam on the other hand rewrites major sections of it. Islam is closer to Mormonism than anything.


What I'm saying is that after they are done with the Saturday people they WILL come for the Sunday people. Don't believe me, look at the larger middle east. Israel is the ONLY country in the region where the native Christian population is growing and that's because Jews enforce the independence of christianity (Christians can send their kids to public schools that focus on the Christian faith, when Christians get married they only get married through the church and follow the church's marriage laws if they have family law issues (divorce, custody etc) they have the option of going to a Christian court, if they have religious law issues they go through their Christian court). The ONLY barrier the Christians have is that in Israel it is illegal to "evangelize in public" (you 100% can practice in public you can't for example do the door to door knocking that mormons love to do) and a child cannot convert without the parents permission (but after they are 18 they can convert to whatever they want) what this means is that you don't have street conversations but if a 13 year old wants to go to a church nothing is stopping him, HOWEVER if he goes "I don't want to be a jew or a Muslim" and his parents say "no" he just has to wait till he's 18 until he takes the baptism/communion, but nothing is stopping him from studying and preparing for it). And after his conversion he can't be punished for it. But if you go to the city of Bethlehem (which is controlled by the Muslims) or any place of historical Christianitondom there are barely any Christians left. And God help you if you want to leave islam. The state will not protect you
Look at Lebanon, how many Christians are left?
 
Ostatnio edytowane:
Video of students and others evacuating:


Not sure if this has been posted yet, but the security guard killed has been identified as Amin Abdullah
1779144761316.png
9143727PrBfnD5VLZvyEw.png

Another photo of one of the victims:
1779143727PrBfnD5VLZvyEw..png
 
I doubt it was an israeli flag. It was probably the Star of David for some interfaith event or something. The Star of David is *on* the Israeli flag so some people get confused.

Called it on the interfaith thing. NYT has some quotes from Linda Sarsour with more details about the kind of mosque it is

The center, she said, does a lot of community service and mobilizes parishioners to go to pro-immigrant rallies. It hosts open houses for the general public.
“Their sermons are all in English because of the diversity of the mosque,” she said. “You can’t do it in Urdu, or Arabic, because of that diversity.”
Ms. Sarsour said that it was more than just a place to pray, and that there was always an activity. At the time of the shooting, parents would have been in the lounge area after dropping their children at the adjacent Islamic school, she said.
She said that the imam, Mr. Hassane, was active in the larger community and part of many national interfaith efforts.

The pro immigrant thing probably also annoyed right wingers. The interfaith thing probably annoyed fundie Muslims. Who knows!
 
So what? So far if we look back really, they've been very bad at everything they attempted. Most of them were just fucking retards and denounced by their community.

Now if you want and go celebrate innocent regular people being massacred in their place of worship, you invite the same in return. And you'll get some of the clever ones into this too. Not a 70 IQ radicalized by Discord faggots, but someone who actually feels justified.

If it was your church being attacked and Muslims were celebrating, I don't think you would take it lying down.

I am not even religious, so I really don't care from this perspective. I just don't think it's very smart to celebrate bottom of the barrel rampage that could very well happen to you next.

Its not like anyone on this site would ever do anything in retaliation anyways. Theyre all a bunch of scared pussies who talk shit behind a screen and nothing else. If one of their family got stabbed, shot, or raped in front of them, they'd freeze up like the cowards they are.

Shame innocent people lost their lives, regardless of their religion.
 
Its not like anyone on this site would ever do anything in retaliation anyways. Theyre all a bunch of scared pussies who talk shit behind a screen and nothing else. If one of their family got stabbed, shot, or raped in front of them, they'd freeze up like the cowards they are.

Shame innocent people lost their lives, regardless of their religion.
Feel like this whole section of the site don't even see people as human anymore
 
This is what us Jews keep trying to tell you. The ones who keep their shit together (I'm talking about the UAE) are fine because they're trying to become the Muslim version of Israel. But every other country/group sees you and women as slaves. There's a reason why Islam was convert or die. With Christianity it was only "convert or die" if you were an idol worshiper or something, and that directly is lifted from Judaism. That's why the Jews weren't targeted for a crusade by the church directly (as opposed to the cathers), But for the Muslims simply believing in Jesus isn't enough, you HAVE to believe in Muhammad or you're a pagan/ heretic.

Ignore the fact that Islam directly believes a) Jesus existed b) was born of virgin birth c) didn't die but assented to heaven. They believe the core elements of jesus HOWEVER because you won't acknowledge their pedo prophet you're a subhuman who should be killed (it's just that Jews should be the first killed because they don't even believe in Jesus).

It's baked in to their faith. Jews don't believe in Jesus (expect the fact historically is that there was a guy named Jesus) because for us he didn't "pass the smell test" when it comes to our laws (and still doesn't). We just don't want you imposing your faith on us (again because we don't see it as "kosher" because it doesn't pass the smell test). But we don't think we need to "stop Christianity" on a global scale, just when it comes to preventing us from practicing judaism (remember for thousands of years Judaism existed along side outright pagan/polytheism and the Jews only started killing when they weren't allowed to practice their faith, also remember judaism does not evangelize it's not a thing, islam sees it as antithetical to the existence of their faith.

Think about it this way, islam says Muhammad was the last prophet, if you run around saying "that's bullshit for xyz reasons" the messages of Mohammed are/become useless as compared to islam the "proof" of Jesus and his miracles are far stronger. If you're a Jew and you go "this Jesus stuff is bullshit" it doesn't invalidate your whole faith, at worse both Christians and Jews think the other is "waisting time". The two faiths aren't in contradiction to each other (as we both believe in what you call the OT and see it as our respective foundation). Islam on the other hand doesn't follow the OT it has "it's own version" and thus will always be in conflict because the two contradict each other. In no part does the NT rewrite the OT, if anything it "reinterprets" parts of it. Islam on the other hand rewrites major sections of it. Islam is closer to Mormonism than anything.


What I'm saying is that after they are done with the Saturday people they WILL come for the Sunday people. Don't believe me, look at the larger middle east. Israel is the ONLY country in the region where the native Christian population is growing and that's because Jews only say you "can't evangelize in public" and a child cannot convert without the parents permission (but after they are 18 they can convert to whatever they want). But if you go to the city of Bethlehem (which is controlled by the Muslims) or any place of historical Christianitondom there are barely any Christians left. Look at Lebanon, how many Christians are left?
This is false.

Islam is significantly weirder and more esoteric than it seems.

Couple of examples of that:

- the santanic verses and the idea that Satan can write a holy script.

- the fact that Mohammad was told by Allah "if you were a false prophet you would die by a poison that will rip your heart" and Mohammad dies exactly that way

- the arabs constantly accusing Mohammad of using foreign words

-the arabs telling Mohammed that they've heard the Quran before

-Abdullah ibn Sa'd ibn Abi Sarh giving Mohammed ideas for verses than leaving islam and calling it false(he is one of athe earliest converts).

-othman burning most of the Quran

none of those things are controversial (as all Muslims agreed they happened) but Islam was intentionally dumped down for the masses.


reading Arabic sources in their original Arabic (as most translations are retarded) is extremely fun.

it doesn't feel like a dogmatic religion but more of a story or a novel
 
Wstecz
Top Na dole