Iran Crisis & the 2026 War between Iran and the United States, Gulf States, and Israel - Please focus on news and coverage, not argumentation.

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这次我发誓死不发帖 powiedział(a):
Despite all the massive gains by the US and the Israelis, the Iranians have increasingly made it easier and easier for the US to stay in the war indefinitely. The longer it goes without additional US casualties, the less emotional impact it will have on the US public. Swaying American civilians emotionally was *always* the most plausible Iranian route to victory. If the media moves on and people don't care, then the US can be as cautious as it likes and continue a high intensity air campaign more or less indefinitely.

As the cost drops, the cost benefit analysis pushes further and further towards prolonging the war.

In that case, it's not a question of if US objectives are reached, but when. It's been claimed that Iranian strikes on neighboring countries are intended to cause international pressure on the US, but it's possible that the objective is to paint a picture of the Iranians as not merely toothless, for the benefit of the American audience at home.
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The fact that Iran's ceasefire demands are fucking insane helps.
America will never pay compensation to these idiots, and they'll never give a guarantee that they'll avoid interfering in Iran's terrorism efforts.
 
MetokurGroomedMe powiedział(a):
This is gishgalloping bullshit. I asked you why they would be trustworthy with nuclear weapons in a world where we know what they had planned for everyone. I want you to answer my question posed, not a question you made up to try and get away from it.

Why, after showing that it will bomb civilian infrastructure to punish its surrounding neighbors, should Iran be trusted with a nuclear weapon? Why, after showing that they will bomb INNOCENT third parties who do not participate in an attack on them purely to try and push international pressure against their enemy, should they be trusted with a nuclear weapon? Why would they not then use THAT NUCLEAR WEAPON to start pressuring everyone even further? The idea that they want one is long-established. They refuse IAEA monitoring, because they know the IAEA would prevent them from enriching to weaponized levels, and they have promised that the 61% enrichment was not the highest they would achieve (See: Bigger and Better nuclear program after the destruction of Fordow). You are presenting very dishonest arguments in a very dishonest way.
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Well, you see, they issued a religious declaration against nuclear weapons. No, don't ask why they've been so intent on spending decades of effort and god knows how much money enriching uranium to the point it can be used for weapons they've sworn to never build.
 
The Great Ducktator powiedział(a):
I'll be honest. You are just background noise to me by now. No, I won't post hands.
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Alright buddy, enjoy shitting up the thread and consistently being one of the least liked people here.

EpicGamerMoment powiedział(a):
Israel has declared a mass casualty event and according to the Likud-run civil defence there are people stuck under the rubble. Such a shame that the IDF uses their people as human shields and build their military bases next to civilian areas on purpose.
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What military facility near by was being targeted?

Burnt Fish powiedział(a):
To say it without the theatrics of making fun of the Euros (which I mean come on guy you're in a thread on the farms some of it is just funposting you gotta understand)

I have my reasons to doubt the Euros for now, but I will be happy to be proven wrong should the situation arise.
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I actually believe that if you're not willing to get angry at a nation for attacking a military asset you have, after you have repeatedly assured them that they will not be attacked from your bases, you are showing your country that you are weak. I think the British-native Whites are probably quite disgusted by this behavior, even if they're a bit leftie, though those types may not be able to say it. I feel bad for Europeans who want to give Iran a good sock to the jaw, but simply cannot because their governments do not represent their own interests, they represent globalist interests. If the Europeans suddenly rise up against their niggerfaggot governments, I will cheer for them until the last traitor is beheaded.

Snekposter powiedział(a):
Well, you see, they issued a religious declaration against nuclear weapons. No, don't ask why they've been so intent on spending decades of effort and god knows how much money enriching uranium to the point it can be used for weapons they've sworn to never build.
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Should I ask if they might use Taqqiya to hide their true intentions, as Muslims are told to do in the Quran, their governing book?

1999 prick powiedział(a):
Speaking of large cities getting targeted.
Now Iran is issuing warnings to cities rather than ports
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Casualties of both attacks on Arad and Dimona.
We are so going to have boots on ground and defends our ally the anti-war spergs said so!
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They will just keep doing this until they literally cannot anymore. They will never stop even if we leave. If we did leave, Israel was somehow just atomized out of existence, and we decided not to interact anymore with it, they would hold every single gulf state hostage for a century, and would never stop bombing shit like refineries and ports until they were completely capitulated to.

In other words, Iran hates us 'cause they ain't us. :story:
 
Couldn't help but laugh when I saw what Trump's people are wanting to demand of Iran when they get into negotiations (which they're not even getting into yet since they're supposedly not even talking directly to Iran). As they're basically asking that Iran give the US absolutely everything that Iran believes is helping that persist.

Like they don't really seem at all interested in whether or not these proposals would get anyone in Iran to bite, which means the war drags on with Trump declaring victory daily (will it eventually become hourly?).

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SBG powiedział(a):
Couldn't help but laugh when I saw what Trump's people are wanting to demand of Iran when they get into negotiations (which they're not even getting into yet since they're supposedly not even talking directly to Iran). As they're basically asking that Iran give the US absolutely everything that Iran believes is helping that persist.

Like they don't really seem at all interested in whether or not these proposals would get anyone in Iran to bite, which means the war drags on with Trump declaring victory daily (will it eventually become hourly?).

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Tell me how many service members Iran has wounded since the spergout? Tell me how many planes we've lost. Tell me how many ships have taken hits. Tell me how many bombs Iran has dropped on the United States.

Now, tell me why I give a fuck about what Iran wants in this negotiation.
 
SBG powiedział(a):
Couldn't help but laugh when I saw what Trump's people are wanting to demand of Iran when they get into negotiations (which they're not even getting into yet since they're supposedly not even talking directly to Iran). As they're basically asking that Iran give the US absolutely everything that Iran believes is helping that persist.

Like they don't really seem at all interested in whether or not these proposals would get anyone in Iran to bite, which means the war drags on with Trump declaring victory daily (will it eventually become hourly?).

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It's about as likely to get Iran to bite as Irans demands of the US are to get the US to bite on negotiations.

That is to say that there's never been a middle ground solution and negotiations have always just been a stalling tactic from both sides.
 
MetokurGroomedMe powiedział(a):
Tell me how many service members Iran has wounded since the spergout? Tell me how many planes we've lost. Tell me how many ships have taken hits. Tell me how many bombs Iran has dropped on the United States.

Now, tell me why I give a fuck about what Iran wants in this negotiation.
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Well they'll fuck with trade plenty in the strait in the meantime. Lot of people would probably prefer that cleared up and not have the conflict drive oil prices to $180 a barrel.
 
MetokurGroomedMe powiedział(a):
Tell me how many service members Iran has wounded since the spergout? Tell me how many planes we've lost. Tell me how many ships have taken hits. Tell me how many bombs Iran has dropped on the United States.

Now, tell me why I give a fuck about what Iran wants in this negotiation.
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Exactly. Both Iran and Trump are giving ridiculous demands that they know the other side will never accept because they want to be able to say "Well, we tried" in response to all the crying Eurotrash demanding a "de-escalation."
SBG powiedział(a):
Lot of people would probably prefer that cleared up and not have the conflict drive oil prices to $180 a barrel.
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Then maybe NATO should fucking help. Iran hasn't attacked a ship in a week. It's all just insurers hyperventilating.
A greater naval presence would give greater confidence to ships to move.
 
SBG powiedział(a):
Well they'll fuck with trade plenty in the strait in the meantime. Lot of people would probably prefer that cleared up and not have the conflict drive oil prices to $180 a barrel.
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sir, Brent closed yesterday at 112, after trading at 108. That statement is buttfuck retarded. There has not been a single confirmed strike on a vessel from Iran in at least a week, if not a little more than that. Please, provide the evidence that Oil will be over 180 dollars a barrel at whatever time of your choosing is specified. I'm all ears.
 
draggs powiedział(a):

Iran has a brand new ten million rial bill. It looks like shit and is worth about seven bucks
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Retards sperging about muh oil market when the real question is how long can Iran hold out under the pressure of war and 70% inflation (and rising)
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Trump is doomed now. Iran has activated the money printers. The doomers assure me once that happens the country is completely fucked, so that means Iran is over, right?
 
Harambe powiedział(a):
Given their pattern of arming paramilitaries to attack countries they only had abstract problems with, I suspect if Iran had nuclear warheads they’d have attacked first.
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I don't believe that at all. The Iranians would know that being the first country to use nukes in a war of aggression would get them shitfucked. Same reason they never initiated an exchange of airstrikes/missiles with Israel. They'd get into deep, deep trouble. Even with nukes, the fact remains that the rest of the world has a lot more firepower than Iran could ever have.

Proxy shenanigans are another matter entirely. Arming proxies rarely threatens the existence of a state in the way open warfare does and let's be honest, Iran was also engaged with glowie ops in turn.
Harambe powiedział(a):
What was all the highly enriched uranium for? It sure as fuck wasn’t for reactors. Strategic ambiguity as a deterrent is the same as plausible deniability, which is not the same as not pursuing the bomb.
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One explanation I heard was that it was used to have a bargaining chip to exchange for sanction relief. Which did pay off under Obama. To be clear, I don't believe that the Iranians were not going for nuclear weapons. But I also don't believe that they are brainwashed by Islam to such a degree that they would wage nuclear powered Jihad.
The Iranians do not seem like irrational actors to me in this conflict. That puts me in the minority in this thread, but their actions in this war, strikes on GCC countries included, make perfect sense from the standpoint of the Iranians. The Iranians know that they can not defeat the US and Israel militarily, so their strategy aims at causing economic and reputational damage instead. They strike the GCC countries to force them to pay a high price for being allies of the US.
The Iranians weren't very secretive about their strategy before the conflict broke out. I've heard several Iranians explain in detail that if attacked they would close the Strait of Hormus and attack US installations in the surrounding countries. Honestly, I am baffled why the US seemed so unprepared for the closure of the Strait. Why were the marine units that are being sent now not in place beforehand?
 
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