US US Politics General 2: Hope Edition - Discussion of President Trump and other politicians

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Should be a wild four years.

Helpful links for those who need them:

Current members of the House of Representatives
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Current members of the Senate
https://www.senate.gov/senators/

Current members of the US Supreme Court
https://www.supremecourt.gov/about/biographies.aspx

Members of the Trump Administration
https://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/

 

[CaliforniaRaisin]

It's St. Patrick's Day, and my attempts to secure a Shamrock Shake, which I haven't had in a couple decades, have been stymied by every McDonald's location I've contacted being unable to provide because their ice cream machines are all broken.

We used to be a real country.

I tried to make them all black, poor and on drugs. But all the AI gen platforms have stymied me with woke filters

 

[Betonhaus]

 

[WelperHelper99]

Maybe Null receives stimmies from Israel if he agrees to keep @Catch The Rainbow unbanned so he can post Mossad scripts.

CTR does it for the love of the game.

 

[World Famous Quasi Payer]

Anyone who says Israel didn't want Saddam removed from power is an idiot. Iraq was the nuclear bomb-program having enemy of Israel before Iran. One of the most daring missions of the Israel force, and early demonstration of the F-16 jet in real world conditions was carried out against Saddam's Iraq. Iraq was (as far as I know) the first country to fire ballistic missiles at Israeli cities during the Gulf war. Even going from a strictly Iran focused perspective, Israel would have been a strong advocate for the replacement of the Baathist regime with a more pro-western, pro-Israel one to deny a direct land route for Iranians to their proxies in Syria, and Lebanon. People need to stop acting like the Iraq war didn't benefit Israel. People need to stop acting like America wasn't nudged in that direction by Israel.

Edit: fixed a couple small mistakes.

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

i never said they were solely responsible, i said they were a part of it which they were. aside from the netanyuhu video that you brush off (still contributed btw) there are numerous articles from both now and back then that explain how israeli intelligence went a long with it. but, again, you and i have had this conversation before so i know you are a blind zionist shill and will never concede anything so for the 5000th time arguing with you is a waste of time. arguing with someone that i know is a zioshill (who doesn't even live there btw lol) makes me retarded.

https://www.fairobserver.com/region/north_america/dont-blame-iraq-debacle-israel-lobby-part-1/

https://www.fairobserver.com/politics/dont-blame-iraq-debacle-israel-lobby-part-2/

While those who try to blame Israel for the war, such as political scientists John Mearsheimer and Steve Walt, quote a sizable a number of Israeli officials and American Zionist leaders who spoke out in support of the invasion, virtually all the citations took place after the decision had been made to invade Iraq in early 2002, apparently with the promise that Iran would become the next target. In other words, the Israeli government and the Israel Lobby were willing to use their clout to help their friends in the White House garner support from the public and Congress for a decision the Bush administration had already made on its own. Given Bush’s strong support for Israel’s acts of aggression, they were willing to return the favor. This is very different, however, from being responsible for the decision itself.

Curveball was also not Israeli intelligence but American/British

It's very interesting how you pretend to be an open intelligent person but as soon as you encounter a dissenting opinion, you fall back on terms and refuse to discuss anything. For someone who claims to have left New York behind, you clearly exemplify the sort of New Yorker that destroyed the city, arrogant and stubborn with no ability to consider other perspectives without insults. Would be perfect in Mamdani's govt.

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"I addressed your argument that destroys my whole point in an unrelated post, now will you please engage with my non germane ravings please?"

I never mentioned Iraq Stud. Let's go over it again to see if this penetrates your well pickled brain:

Statement:

Kent initially supports Trump's war on ISIS citing it as a example

then later blames it on Israel despite Israel having nothing to do with it.

 

[harmacist]

It's St. Patrick's Day, and my attempts to secure a Shamrock Shake, which I haven't had in a couple decades, have been stymied by every McDonald's location I've contacted being unable to provide because their ice cream machines are all broken.

We used to be a real country.

shamrock shake is the one seasonalslop i get excited for. i had one a few weeks ago and it was minty and delicious

 

[Persona Grata]

Anyone who says Israel didn't want Saddam removed from power is an idiot. Iraq was the nuclear bomb-program having enemy of Israel before Iraq. One of the most daring missions of the Israel force, and early demonstration of the F-16 jet in real world conditions was carried out against Saddam's Iraq. Iraq was (as far as I know) the first country to fire ballistic missiles at Israeli cities during the Gulf war. Even going from a strictly Iran focused perspective, Israel would have been a strong advocate for the replacement of the Baathist regime with a more pro-western, pro-Israel one to deny a direct land route for Iranians to their proxies in Syria, and Lebanon. People need to stop acting like the Iraq war didn't benefit Israel. People need to stop acting like America was nudged in that direction by Israel.

You fuckers aren't even reading the responses holy shit
JOINT CONGRESS PASSED THE IRAQI LIBERATION ACT IN 1998 AND GEORGE BUSH JR LOBBIED ISRAEL TO STAY OUT OF THE WAR

I'm done wasting my breathe on you niggermonkeys, White Christians and Israeli Jews win, everyone else loses

 

[Many are saying this.]

White Christians and Israeli Jews win, everyone else loses

We're all actually still alive so that can't be true yet.

 

[Epic Fail Man]

@Catch The Rainbow how many passports do you have?

 

[harmacist]

America

i will let you know now that i didn't read any of this. i have attempted to argue with you, i realized what you were, i attempted it again, and then i felt stupid for falling for it a second time. fool me once. i wouldn't waste my time writing out longposts because i will never read them. i do not take you seriously in any way

 

[mlanguishi]

We're all actually still alive so that can't be true yet.

Not all of us saar

 

[pwnest injun]

Little montage about that very weak on security guy.

JoeKentMontage.mp4

It's fucked up that he's a woman now...

 

[JustSomeDong]

Maybe Null receives stimmies from Israel if he agrees to keep @Catch The Rainbow unbanned so he can post Mossad scripts.

"I gave that slobbermutt some cheese. Slobbermutts love cheese..."

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

Anyone who says Israel didn't want Saddam removed from power is an idiot. Iraq was the nuclear bomb-program having enemy of Israel before Iraq. One of the most daring missions of the Israel force, and early demonstration of the F-16 jet in real world conditions was carried out against Saddam's Iraq. Iraq was (as far as I know) the first country to fire ballistic missiles at Israeli cities during the Gulf war. Even going from a strictly Iran focused perspective, Israel would have been a strong advocate for the replacement of the Baathist regime with a more pro-western, pro-Israel one to deny a direct land route for Iranians to their proxies in Syria, and Lebanon. People need to stop acting like the Iraq war didn't benefit Israel. People need to stop acting like America was nudged in that direction by Israel.

Saddam during Operation Opera was far different than Saddam after the UN coalition defeated them:

To begin with, Iraq during the final years of Saddam Hussein’s rule was no more of a threat to Israel than it was to the United States. All Iraqi missiles capable of reaching Israel had been accounted for and destroyed by UNSCOM. The International Atomic Energy Agency had determined that Iraq no longer had a nuclear program, and virtually all the country’s chemical weapons had similarly been accounted for and destroyed. All this was presumably known to the Israelis, who actively monitored UN disarmament efforts in Iraq and had the best military intelligence capabilities in the region. Indeed, as far back as the aftermath of the 1991 war, the head of the Israeli military intelligence revealed in an interview that Israel no longer considered Iraq a threat.

People need to stop acting like the Iraq war didn't benefit Israel

Yossi Alpher, a former senior adviser to Prime Minister Ehud Barak and former director of the Jaffee Center for Strategic Studies, has revealed that then-Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon specifically warned Bush against occupying Iraq or invading Iraq without an exit strategy. The Israeli prime minister also feared that an insurgency could radicalize the region, spill over Iraq’s borders, and strengthen Iran. Israeli Ambassador to the United States Danny Ayalon was even instructed by Sharon to tell visiting Israelis not to encourage a US invasion of Iraq for fear that its likely failure would be blamed on Israel.

Key leaders of the Iraqi government are part of fundamentalist Shiite political movements heavily influenced by Iran. These movements are strongly anti-Zionist in orientation, and some have maintained close ties to other radical Arab Shiite groups, such as the Lebanese Hezbollah. One of the dominant parties of the Iraqi governing coalition has been the Islamic Supreme Council of Iraq, whose paramilitary unit, known as the Badr Brigade, was trained by the Iranian Revolutionary Guards.

The US occupation led to the unprecedented rise of Salafists and other radical Islamists in Iraq, who are often anti-Israel extremists. While fighting US occupation forces and the US-backed Iraqi regime, these insurgents became increasingly sophisticated fighters, gaining valuable new experiences in urban guerrilla warfare as well as terrorist tactics. They developed close ties with radical Jordanian and Palestinian groups with the means and motivation to harm Israeli civilians.

University of Michigan historian Juan Cole, a leading authority on internal Iraqi politics, has noted that while such radical currents were kept under control by Saddam Hussein, “An Iraq in which armed fundamentalist and nationalist militias proliferate is inevitably a security worry for Israel.” Not long after the invasion, General Shlomo Brom, former chief of the Israeli army’s strategic planning division, stated that: “The US presence there actually causes harm to some of our interests.”

net loss. Iraq and Iran were balancing each other out. Iran took over Iraq with proxy forces and created a land bridge from Iran to Lebanon that was a huge security risk for Israel.

i will let you know now that i didn't read any of this. i have attempted to argue with you, i realized what you were, i attempted it again, and then i felt stupid for falling for it a second time. fool me once. i wouldn't waste my time writing out longposts because i will never read them. i do not take you seriously in any way

It's very interesting how you pretend to be an open intelligent person but as soon as you encounter a dissenting opinion, you fall back on terms and refuse to discuss anything. For someone who claims to have left New York behind, you clearly exemplify the sort of New Yorker that destroyed the city, arrogant and stubborn with no ability to consider other perspectives without insults. Would be perfect in Mamdani's govt.

thanks for proving me right

@Catch The Rainbow how many passports do you have?

2. It's not a secret.

 

[pwnest injun]

Given REAL ID I would not expect states to take up the SAVE act requirements very quickly. They will drag their feet as long as possible. Poll watchers need to stay vigilant even if it passes.

If all we get out of it is actual enforceable signature matching requirements, it will swing every election by like 9 points towards Republicans.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

shamrock shake is the one seasonalslop i get excited for. i had one a few weeks ago and it was minty and delicious

I literally go to McDonald's once a year-- Ash Wednesday.

I get myself a Fish Filet sandwich and a Shamrock Shake. lol.

McDonald's is slop ... But the Shamrock Shakes are amazing.

 

[World Famous Quasi Payer]

You fuckers aren't even reading the responses holy shit
JOINT CONGRESS PASSED THE IRAQI LIBERATION ACT IN 1998 AND GEORGE BUSH JR LOBBIED ISRAEL TO STAY OUT OF THE WAR

I'm done wasting my breathe on you niggermonkeys, White Christians and Israeli Jews win, everyone else loses

Israel opposition to Saddam, and Iraq started long before 98. Bush wanted Israel to stay out because it would have been a political quagmire. The sheer optics of non-Arabic, non-Islamic forces invading and toppling an Arab, and Islamic regime in the middle east would have played havoc with internal politics in every other Mideast nation. Do you think Bush was ignorant of that fact? Furthermore, saying "Well Israel wanted to help kick Saddam's ass, but we wouldn't let them join in" isn't making the point you think it is. Over 20 years later Israel is still incapable of the force projection required to invade a nation, and depose it's ruling regime.

 

[natural born loser]

Stephen Miller laying down the fax

https://x.com/StephenM/status/2034036549235380495

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I must have missed the part of the Constitution where it says "invading browns are just better than you, citizen whose family has been here since the Mayflower, and you WILL pay for them to live here".

 

[Necrosan]

How many times have you posted tonight @Catch The Rainbow? I think it might have been one of the most active days for you.

Can't blame you, this is one of the most "DA JOOOOOOOOOS" day we've had in a long time.

 

[Persona Grata]

Israel opposition to Saddam, and Iraq started long before 98. Bush wanted Israel to stay out because it would have been a political quagmire. The sheer optics of non-Arabic, non-Islamic forces invading and toppling an Arab, and Islamic regime in the middle east would have played havoc with internal politics in every other Mideast nation. Do you think Bush was ignorant of that fact? Futhermore, saying "Well Israel wanted to help kick Saddam's ass, but we wouldn't let them join in" isn't making the point you think it is. Over 20 years later Israel is still incapable of the force projection required to invade a nation, and depose it's ruling regime.

We already covered this. Unless you think AIPAC poisons everything Joint Congress does, this is not an argument. I'm not saying it's wrong to say the well is poisoned because of AIPAC, that's fair, but there is no other mechanism to say they baited us into the war. Israel did not make Saddam invade Kuwait in the First Gulf War. Him being embarrassed about debt did.

Of course opposition started before that, which is why they wanted in on the war.
"Things between Israel and Saddam were just great, which is why they were chomping at the bit to get in!"

Is that actually what you think I fucking thought? Or are you looking for whataboutisms irrespective of what is sad? It does not matter the outcome, you will make "Israel bad" apply.