Iran Crisis & the 2026 War between Iran and the United States, Gulf States, and Israel - Please focus on news and coverage, not argumentation.

[Kornheiser]

I’m starting to lean on the Greenland thing for why Trump is criticizing nato. It’s more that he knows Europes navies are occupied with Russia or weak.

 

[Ghostse]

Iran has assigned 3-7 replacements for each military role to maintain continuity of leadership and operations if commanders are killed, according to Fars News Agency.

This is how you know they're winning.

Since American &/or Israeli boots on the ground isn't on the table at the moment, what's the plan for supporting a regime change? Do they plan on supplying existing Iraqi and Kurdish troops? Maybe once air defenses are weakened enough, it'd be possible to run guns to internal anti-government factions?

The plan is that Artesh units will turn against the regime + civil uprising. The US and Jews will likely play airsupport.
It is almost certain that US special forces are embedded with the locals and will help with tactics.

Again, if it doesn't, they will nuke Iran's oil infrastructure on the way out and go home.

Back to the grievance counting. Europe's energy strategy has been retarded for a long time, and systems that are in place for a long time will take time to correct. Leaders cannot wave magic wands to instantly fix their problems, and shutting off all oil and gas imports does not help Ukraine if it completely tanks Europe's economy and industry. You manage as best you can to provide aid to Ukraine while redirecting your energy imports. I know you're not an ignorant person, you're just being petty. I get it, to a point.

This is not grievance counting.
You say "Russia is a concern for the EU". I am proving it is very clearly not as EU continues to buy billions in energy from Russia, conduct billions more in trade including heavy machinery for Russia's weapons plants.

Europe since 2022 has continued to enact more and more environmental bullshit to forbid and tax to death what extraction they do have. The UK did not repeal its ban on offshore exploration, only provide a temporary tax break on a couple regions; this does nothing to encourage any sort of expansion and move to energy independence away from fucking Russia.
Just this fucking goddamn year Germany banned oil and gas in more areas, ensuring they will need to continue to import more from Russia and thus send Russia more money than they send to Ukraine.

https://bitfinance.news/en/germany-bans-future-oil-and-gas-projects-in-protected-areas/

So very clearly, Russia is not an actual concern for the EU.

The jews have closed the Holy Sepulcre. This will be the one of the few times in history that local Christians can't celebrate during holy week there.

Why are jews allowed to control Christian holy sites again?

 

[Burnt Fish]

I was explaining why Iran would probably not want to fire missiles at Europe before the war started; that is, to avoid being bombed by NATO (which yes, basically means the US). Was that not clear?

Not particularly trying to jump in on whatever point the other person there is making.

But don't their launches into Turkey kind of already create that risk? Or do you think they're more worried about firing into Germany as a member of NATO (since they house US troops) as opposed to Turkey, who is a member of NATO and houses US troops. Or Firing at the British base in Cyprus or the French base in Abu Dhabi?

 

[JustSomeDong]

It was called Operation Starvation and enhanced by A. Nuking 2 of their cities and B. Leaving somebody alive that could order everybody to surrender and be obeyed.

We wouldn't be having this discussion if America hadn't unleashed the thermonuclear genie to do exactly what @Kyria the Great asked.

Funny little circles...

 

[Mr. Racewar1488]

CENTCOM:

Hours ago, U.S. forces successfully employed multiple 5,000-pound deep penetrator munitions on hardened Iranian missile sites along Iran’s coastline near the Strait of Hormuz.

The Iranian anti-ship cruise missiles in these sites posed a risk to international shipping in the strait.

US/Israeli airstrikes on Tehran, Iran.

 

[Großmann]

I realise the venting at Europe is cathartic, but I'd like to inject a little reality into the discussion: Europe's response to this war has absolutely nothing to do with its muslim population. For several reasons. It also has nothing to do with Trump or the left. Nor is it spite against the US, or wanting to free-ride off of it. As a person from a European country I can say there are real, strategic reasons stemming from national interests for why European countries would not want to join in with bombing Iran. I will outline them, but let me be clear, this is not what I personally think about the war, it is just reasons why Europe specifically would not want to get involved too much.

Why can’t we have more intelligent posts from Euros like this instead of drivel like this:

If you wanted European men to go die for ZOG so bad maybe you shouldn’t have spent your whole term insulting them and threatening to invade Greenland.

 

[Maori Kiwifruit Growers]

@Ghostse Why are jews allowed to control Christian holy sites again?

They do, and they don't. Normally, the guards outside are the IDF's version of the Gendarmerie ( called the Israel Border Police) who are Christian (the border police are very popular with Israeli minorities who either volunteer to serve or are drafted like the Jews are), but honestly, would you rather have the Israelis looking over the site or the Muslims who can't even keep Al-Aqsa mosque from getting held hostage by Hamas supporters every fucking Ramadan? Seriously, the Jordanians are supposed to be in control of the Temple Mount, but they can barely keep the thing together. Also, Christians can't even agree to remove a ladder. If you let the Muslims control it they will turn it into a mosque and give the Christians a corner if they're lucky. And which christain group should control it? The Catholics? The Eastern Orthodox? The Coptics? The Baptists?

 

[Nice Stick]

damage in Tel Aviv, central Israel, following Iranian submunition impacts.2 confirmed dead (nitter).

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Iranian submunitions strike high-rise in Bnei Brak, central Israel.

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[Mr. Racewar1488]

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Two Israelis were killed in Ramat Gan, central Israel, as a result of the fall of a cluster munition from an Iranian missile.

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Scenes from the Tel Aviv Savidor Railway Station.


US/Israeli airstrikes on northern Tehran, Iran.

 

[Delicious Diversity]

Not particularly trying to jump in on whatever point the other person there is making.

But don't their launches into Turkey kind of already create that risk? Or do you think they're more worried about firing into Germany as a member of NATO (since they house US troops) as opposed to Turkey, who is a member of NATO and houses US troops. Or Firing at the British base in Cyprus or the French base in Abu Dhabi?

Not really. The strikes on Turkey and the UK/France/Italy bases caused minor damage, no casualties. It was essentially a nation with its leadership decapitated lashing out under an all-out assault, not a calculated attack plan against NATO countries, and was perceived as such. Which is why the response has been fairly moderate. That said, it has been enough to encourage some European countries to contribute to the defensive operations around the Gulf, so it's not a nothingburger either.

The person I was originally replying to was suggesting that Iran (before the current war) might some day launch an all out ballistic missile attack on Europe, which is a stretch, to put it mildly. Iran's focus is very much regional, as are most of its capabilities. It is concerned with Israel and the Saudis, not France or Germany.

 

[StudMccool]

Thank you for the high quality posts on this matter.
This is not my field, but it appears that the effective total bandwidth (from e.g. France to India) would not be meaningfully degraded with even the complete destruction of one of these cables. Is this a matter of the systems inability to adapt to the disruption?

those cables send data by sending light down the tube, its essentially hyper fast morse code, a dot for 1 a gap for 0. those "cables" are defined by how many smaller cables are inside of it, think of an old one having a single light tube then 2x then 4x and so on right?

Im VASTLY oversimplifying but your question asks can the system adapt to the disruption, no it cant, thats the shorting coming of a bus network, its a "busline" that has to be finished before retsrarting, where as a mesh network is a bunch of interconnected nodes where if one goes out the others can still communicate. what we have is an unholy combination of the 2 where we have run enough bus lines it has the TRAPPINGS of a mesh network but most of those cables

ARE VERY OLD

when we lay a new data cable we dont turn off the old one, we just keep it around, even if its only doing 10% of what the new cable is why loose 10% bandwith right?

shit did you see when the 2 in my post are layed in the early 2000s

I hope I explained that somewhat in a way that can be understood

it looks like we have alot more connections than we do but the high speed connection of modern era is likely only 1 of those cables, in theory if the modern one was cut we might still have comms with other nations but at the level of when the next newst cable was layed, we might not its hard to know if our modern architecture could handle that kind of rollback.

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

Why are jews allowed to control Christian holy sites again?

the site is closed because Iran tried to hit it with a missile:

https://www.ewtnnews.com/world/middle-east/iranian-missile-explodes-over-jerusalem-fragments-fall-near-church-of-the-holy-sepulchre

According to a March 16 statement released by Israel’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs, fragments of the missile “fell on the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, the Armenian Patriarchate, the Jewish Quarter, and the Temple Mount, near the Al-Aqsa Mosque.”

The government of Israel condemned the Iranian regime for “firing missiles at the holy sites of Jerusalem, endangering Jews, Muslims, and Christians alike,” and added that Israel “is acting to protect the faithful of all religions in its capital.”

Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Oren Marmorstein provided details of the incident at a press conference held near the impact site.


“We are here next to the Church of the Holy Sepulchre. A missile from the Iranian regime, a ballistic missile launched from Iran, struck this location,” he stated.


Marmorstein emphasized that the attack directly endangered the city’s principal holy sites. “The Iranian regime is targeting the holy sites of Jerusalem. This is a holy site, and the Iranian regime almost destroyed it,” he said.

“Basically, the entire Old City is in danger because of these ballistic missiles fired by Iran against the civilian population and, now, against the holy sites of Jerusalem,” Marmorstein added.

According to the spokesman, the objective of these attacks is to inflict the greatest possible harm on the civilian population. “The defenses are strong, but the intentions and objective of the Iranian regime are clear: They are trying to cause the highest possible number of civilian casualties, and now they are also targeting holy sites in the city of Jerusalem.”


“They are attacking Muslims, they are attacking Christians, and they are attacking Jews,” he emphasized. “Imagine what would have happened if that ballistic missile that landed just meters away had directly struck this holy site. It would be a nightmare.”

 

[Clyde Cash's Left Teste]

Since Ali Larijani is dead, who is the next major Regime figure that will be taken out?

 

[account to mute dumbs]

Iran's focus is very much regional, as are most of its capabilities. It is concerned with Israel and the Saudis, not France or Germany.

Never heard of Sweden's Foxtrot? Iran has been funding and running criminal groups located in europe for a while now taking advantage of all the invaders willing to do crime and terrorism against their host nations.

 

[Nice Stick]

They do and they don't. Normally, the guards outside are Christian, but honestly, would you rather have the Israelis looking over the site or the Muslims who can't even keep Al-Aqsa mosque from getting held hostage by Hamas supporters every fucking Ramadan? Seriously, the Jordanians are supposed to be in control of the Temple Mount, but they can barely keep the thing together. Also, Christians can't even agree to remove a ladder. If you let the Muslims control it they will turn it into a mosque and give the Christians a corner if they're lucky. And which christain group should control it? The Catholics? The Eastern Orthodox? The Coptics? The Baptists?

I think traditional American Protestants see these sites more as tourist attractions than anything else. It's fine by us if Catholics seethe about it.

 

[Crex Crex]

Since Ali Larijani is dead, who is the next major Regime figure that will be taken out?

Mojtaba's other leg.

 

[RodgerDodger]

I’m starting to lean on the Greenland thing for why Trump is criticizing nato. It’s more that he knows Europes navies are occupied with Russia or weak.

It's taken the Royal Bavy, supposedly the most powerful European Navy 18 days to put 1 destroyer to sea to deal with attacks on British Citizens.

And the Russia lost a naval war to a nation that had no Navy, and barely any air force.

 

[ThisIsGonnaBeGood]

It's St. Patrick's day nigga, come on

It's that time again!

Spoiler: Local Archive

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Two Israelis were killed in Ramat Gan, central Israel, as a result of the fall of a cluster munition from an Iranian missile.

Word is they were a couple in their 70s. Shit on Jews all you want, but at least they can aim at targets who aren't civilians already on death's door.

 

[Next Door Jimmy]

The person I was originally replying to was suggesting that Iran (before the current war) might some day launch an all out ballistic missile attack on Europe, which is a stretch, to put it mildly. Iran's focus is very much regional, as are most of its capabilities. It is concerned with Israel and the Saudis, not France or Germany.

My point is why wait? Why wait for Iran to develop ICBMs while they delay and deceive for decades under ineffectual sanctions? The opportunity to do something is here. They are in a weakened state domestically, all their allies have turned on them, their military is decrepit and ineffectual. If not now, when? Wait for them to be driven crazier by thirst, economic collapse and drought until they decide to hold strait hostage except this time they have nukes? The reason they haven't hit you yet is because they can't. Your reaction is to give them more time to work that out.

 

[Burnt Fish]

the world's least surprising development.

Not really. The strikes on Turkey and the UK/France/Italy bases caused minor damage, no casualties. It was essentially a nation with its leadership decapitated lashing out under an all-out assault, not a calculated attack plan against NATO countries, and was perceived as such. Which is why the response has been fairly moderate. That said, it has been enough to encourage some European countries to contribute to the defensive operations around the Gulf, so it's not a nothingburger either.

The person I was originally replying to was suggesting that Iran (before the current war) might some day launch an all out ballistic missile attack on Europe, which is a stretch, to put it mildly. Iran's focus is very much regional, as are most of its capabilities. It is concerned with Israel and the Saudis, not France or Germany.

Fair enough, at least something I can respecfully say "agree to disagree" I don't think we'll see eye to eye on this percieved threat level Iran posed before this conflict kicked off or the value in ending it faster now that it has kicked off (in regards to Europe as well in both cases)

But If nothing else I respect that you don't seem to be the typical alarmist sperg on the matter or a deranged groyper so fair enough.