US US Politics General 2: Hope Edition - Discussion of President Trump and other politicians

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Should be a wild four years.

Helpful links for those who need them:

Current members of the House of Representatives
https://www.house.gov/representatives

Current members of the Senate
https://www.senate.gov/senators/

Current members of the US Supreme Court
https://www.supremecourt.gov/about/biographies.aspx

Members of the Trump Administration
https://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/

 

[Breadbassket]

>block well-known faggot for a being a well-known faggot
>entire pages of the thread remain unreadable because 20 people quote well-known faggot's every post to call him a faggot

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Perhaps the stance of insisting to not block anyone has its ups and downs. It probably also doesn't help that when it rains (a somewhat important American event occurs), it pours (because many feel the urge to react to the news) here but that's just part of the US Politics General experience.

 

[Sammich]

You guys have to realize that Hogan in particular does not want to discuss or debate anything with right wingers. He want to insult you with impunity and feel validated in doing so. It's why he mostly stays in TES hugbox threads because there he gets asspats for his vitriol and will cry to the mods if you disrupt that.

He's not even worth the time to interact with, it's going to be funny when he crosses the line and gets a halal thread. I suspect he's probably on par with tommie tooter level degenerate fuck.

 

[Professor Donger]

I must have lied on my résumé where mopping a goofy lolcow site requires pleading allegiance to a fat paedophile.
My bad. There's talk to staff forum, write a well sourced essay on why admins should confiscate my broom.

This isn't a thread about Clinton so idk why you're bringing up pedophilia

 

[drammamean]

Birthright citizenship seems almost certain to be a loss then.

I was pretty sure of the two he would win on tarrifs.

What's your reasoning behind believing birthright citizenship is an almost certain loss? Not that it would surprise me with these mettlesome judges but the very idea of birthright citizenship is absurd on its face.

 

[Demonslayer1776]

My biggest concern is related to the potential refunds. However, one thing Im wondering is if Trump would legally be required to refund the businesses who paid the tariffs. Given that those costs were theoretically passed to consumers, I wonder if he could argue that issuing the consumer tax refund he was planning would qualify as refunding the tariff costs

 

[Professor Donger]

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@Fatpacks has been vindicated

Stop multiposting faggot

 

[Lonjil]

Genuine good faith question so I can learn more
Is it not good in theory at least to limit Presidential power? Im coming at this question from a (possibly dumb) position of: I want the federal government to not be this overarching leviathan.

I just dont really understand, so im trying to learn

 

[Onepumpplumpchump]

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@Fatpacks has been vindicated

Put him in a crystal next.

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

I must have lied on my résumé where mopping a goofy lolcow site requires pleading allegiance to a fat paedophile.

I didn't know Hollywood Hulk Hogan was allowed to have two accounts!

In all seriousness, though, Trump's tariffs aren't totally smashed by this SCOTUS ruling. It simply shuts down one of several avenues.

 

[mlanguishi]

My biggest concern is related to the potential refunds. However, one thing Im wondering is if Trump would legally be required to refund the businesses who paid the tariffs. Given that those costs were theoretically passed to consumers, I wonder if he could argue that issuing the consumer tax refund he was planning would qualify as refunding the tariff costs

That would be a funny/good thing if he was forced to pay back tax credit style to everyone like he wanted. Then he can work around this in a few months and do tariffs another way.

 

[>IMPLYING]

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/25pdf/24-1287_4gcj.pdf

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Tarrifs killed. Trump lost

As a Brit I considered the best way of fixing the global free market by encouraging industries to leave China, which would be done because America is pretty much the #1 export location for most of Asia. Otherwise companies will continue to death-invest hundreds of billions into China as an indirect bribe to continue manufacturing shit using cheap Chinese labour with 0 regs.

Most of the time these companies are not allowed to sell in China and if they are, it's with strangling restrictions on where and how many. Still, they can expect a routine fine to hit them every year on the basis of anti-trust, which isn't even factoring the possibility of competing with their own product due to the Chinese propensity to steal. Ford was forced to merge their Chinese branch with a domestic Chinese car producer or be forced out. Less than a year later, the domestic producer was pumping out identical copies to Ford just with a different company brand attached. In a more recent example: Huawei. You can thank Apple's 400 billion investment for their rise.

Huawei is a better brand due to the sole virtue of not being Apple but I digress.

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There's wiggle room, yeah.

The possibility of having to refund everyone by itself might encourage Trump to ignore the ruling altogether.

 

[Gay Sex Enjoyer]

lmao suck it fat pedo
Still gonna give that $2000 or whatever welfare nigger gibs from the 66 gazillion tariff revenue to keep your retard simps happy?

Contrary to what TESers desperately wants to believe, Trump does not actually browse these threads and get hurt feefees when people ebinly call him out and say he's fat.

Also the affected tariffs can, and likely will, just be reimplemented by citing different laws and refiling.


The walls are gonna close in any day now though, I'm sure of it.

 

[Blewberry Nausea]

Genuine good faith question so I can learn more
Is it not good in theory at least to limit Presidential power? Im coming at this question from a (possibly dumb) position of: I want the federal government to not be this overarching leviathan.

I just dont really understand, so im trying to learn

In theory yes. In effect, when you have a two party system that is enshrined in do nothing politics while the country burns, no it is a bad thing.

 

[RiverFalcon]

Genuine good faith question so I can learn more

You know we can see your post history, right?

 

[WelfareNiggerQueen]

>block well-known faggot for a being a well-known faggot
>entire pages of the thread remain unreadable because 20 people quote well-known faggot's every post to call him a faggot

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Trannie jannie has arrived so half of the thread is going to get banned

So which tariff will be changed? I'm too stupid, just tell me.

Reciprocal tariffs and the Fentanyl ones. A lot of the IEEPA tariffs were also on countries that are used as middlemen to skirt tariffs imposed on country of origin as well.

Steel & Aluminum, Copper, Automobiles & parts, and Semiconductors are still in effect.

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

As a Brit

Opinion discarded.

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

 

[Froppy]

My biggest concern is related to the potential refunds. However, one thing Im wondering is if Trump would legally be required to refund the businesses who paid the tariffs. Given that those costs were theoretically passed to consumers, I wonder if he could argue that issuing the consumer tax refund he was planning would qualify as refunding the tariff costs

That sounds incredibly Jewish so I can see it happening. Either way these tariffs ended up being a mafia racket scheme that allowed Trump and friends to pocket kickbacks at the expense of inevitably reducing the overal GDP by 0.8% and the average wage by 5%. Consumer prices rose and federal revenue increased. The entire middle class deserves a Fell For It Again Award.

 

[LuigiCadorna]

Okay so can someone list out which tariffs are actually being struck down, because it doesn't sound like all of them.

This seems to be little more than a procedural error on specific tariffs implemented under IEEPA that could simply be reexamined and/or reimplemented later with different paperwork.

For all I know 90% of orange mans tariffs could be completely unaffected by this.

Specifically the tariffs imposed under IEEPA based on fentanyl / drug-flow emergencies:
25% tariffs on most imports from Canada
25% tariffs on most imports from Mexico
Initially 10%, later increased to 20% tariffs on most imports from China
Removal of the $800 de minimis exemption for Chinese goods
10% baseline tariff on all imports from all trading partners

So it's a win for China, Western China and Mexico

 

[Fishmalk Observer]

I must have lied on my résumé where mopping a goofy lolcow site requires pleading allegiance to a fat paedophile.
My bad. There's talk to staff forum, write a well sourced essay on why admins should confiscate my broom.

Putting retards to work is good. It gives you structure. I still think you should probably stop shitting yourself, but i don't pay your salary.

 

[Donald_J_Trump]

Genuine good faith question so I can learn more
Is it not good in theory at least to limit Presidential power? Im coming at this question from a (possibly dumb) position of: I want the federal government to not be this overarching leviathan.

I just dont really understand, so im trying to learn

This is logical I suppose. Just frustrating.

Honestly I don’t mind the leviathan, if it’s a White supremacist.

Politics are becoming more and more racial as demographics shift ever more brown and the average IQ sinks lower and lower.