Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

[.iota.]

He could (and obviously would) try and send new filings to the clerks, but hopefully this time around the clerks would be informed that there's fuckery afoot and they would politely direct him to the judge(s) for approval.

fantastic! it's not as if mr. hardin lacks experience in dealing with vexatious litigants and their attempts at ex parte communications with judges. *cough, cough* acerthorn *cough, cough*

 

[Gorilla Milk]

Has the urgent request to order to force Russtard to preserve evidence been ignored by these fucking judges still?

 

[Useful_Mistake]

Has the urgent request to order to force Russtard to preserve evidence been ignored by these fucking judges still?

It has been, yeah

 

[huon detector]

Of course they're not. ChatGPT is doing it for them.

I wonder if Hardin could demand that gree-gree preserve ChatGPT prompts and answers that relate to this case? (as well as prompts and answers of other LLMs/AIs/SearchEngines/???)

Should this case not be dismissed prior to discovery, these records would undoubtedly be of probative value - and of course the REEEEEEEaction to such a request is going to be entertaining. It's a win win if it can be done.

 

[break these cuffs]

Has the urgent request to order to force Russtard to preserve evidence been ignored by these fucking judges still?

This court is now under the control of JUDGE SPEDD.

 

[Harvey Danger]

Has the urgent request to order to force Russtard to preserve evidence been ignored by these fucking judges still?

Luckily the data is only at risk of deletion roughly 2 years from now, so it's not super urgent. But I still wouldn't bet on the judges ruling on it within that timeframe.

 

[Magnetman]

To my knowledge, ChatGPT -promtps should be subpoenable, assuming Mr. Green has the requisite account.

There was that (small) controversy, when people came to realize that the company, get this, does not delete information (queries, prompts) that can be profited from.

 

[oh no its pipkun]

You'd think any honest judge would take into consideration that the plaintiff is a criminally convicted sex pest who has made a career of victimizing innocent women.

if we're going to fantasize that a couple of judges with a doccket full of criminal cases care about this case one way or another, we out to be optimistic and assume they're letting greer bury himself with sanctionable motions so that they rule on all of them in favor of lolcow llc before dismissing the case.

 

[Swole McPole]

if we're going to fantasize that a couple of judges with a doccket full of criminal cases care about this case one way or another, we out to be optimistic and assume they're letting greer bury himself with sanctionable motions so that they rule on all of them in favor of lolcow llc before dismissing the case.

Don't American judges specialise in a particular area of law? I'm pretty sure they do over here. Some judges do criminal, others do civil, they don't usually hop from one to another because it's not fair for them to do so. I thought the law is such a specialized subject these days that you can't really keep abreast of multiple specialisms?

 

[Mk1 Fire Control Computer]

Don't American judges specialise in a particular area of law? I'm pretty sure they do over here. Some judges do criminal, others do civil, they don't usually hop from one to another because it's not fair for them to do so. I thought the law is such a specialized subject these days that you can't really keep abreast of multiple specialisms?

No, not really. There may be certain courts established to deal with specific law, and judges that handled similar cases may get assigned certain cases because they are familiar with the issues. Almost all of the Constitutional challenges to California anti-gun laws goes through Jusge Benitez because he already did a lot of them.

It's the lawyer's job, generally, to tell the judge what the law is, and what the words mean. For example, you might read a motion, and find a section that says, "The standard here is probable cause. Probable Cause is defined in these cases by these superior courts this way..." with cites and quotes from the cases. The lawyer then explains how the facts do or do not meet the standard. The lawyer is generally the specialist, the judge should be experienced in telling good arguments from bad.

 

[Kiwi Lime Pie]

I'm not sure why the judge hasn't told both parties to shut the fuck up until they get around to doing their jobs. I guess they are waiting to have another 200 open motions before they just dismiss the case ruling under an earlier motion and just moot everything else so they don't have to try and interpret Greer's spergings intioa motion then try to apply pretzel law to it.

I might agree with you if the presiders for this case were actively involved in it up to this point. So far, it's as if they've been the metaphorical senior citizen who naps in an easy chair most of the time and wakes up just long enough to do one single thing before settling in for another nap to start the cycle anew. Hearings and rulings in this case have been so sporadic nobody knows when to expect a ruling let alone what it will be about given all the pending motions and filings.

Ideally, it'd be nice to see any sort of ruling in the present along with instructions for both sides to STFU until the backlog of pending items is addressed. However, I unfortunately don't see it happening any time soon with the case progressing slower than a sleepy snail .

 

[Apteryx Owenii]

Has the urgent request to order to force Russtard to preserve evidence been ignored by these fucking judges still?

The good news is that Greer has been put on record that the defense wants him to preserve the evidence. Even without the court stepping in, if he doesn't and it's later found to be a reasonable request, it's on him that he didn't. Not the judge being lazy.

The bad news is that there's no guarantee that the way things are supposed to work isn't always how they end up working in this case...

 

[RodgerDodger]

For those starving for Greee filings, he's been busy on his "order the State to Get Him His Penis Sucked" case against the Nevada Sec State today.

 

[Dingus Egg]

For those starving for Greee filings, he's been busy on his "order the State to Get Him His Penis Sucked" case against the Nevada Sec State today.

Do we have a thread for that one yet?

 

[RodgerDodger]

Do we have a thread for that one yet?

Just the main Greer lolcow thread. Probably not worth its own as it will certainly get quickly tossed.

 

[DavidS877]

Looks like it's almost time to close the thread for the break.

I'm guessing we're not going to get anything interesting before 3PM MST today.

 

[AnOminous]

The answer is “average judges” of course. That kind.

Not really. Every other single judge Greer has had other than the clowns in this case have disposed of his trash quite rapidly, from the lowest small claims court judge to federal judges.

Don't American judges specialise in a particular area of law? I'm pretty sure they do over here. Some judges do criminal, others do civil, they don't usually hop from one to another because it's not fair for them to do so. I thought the law is such a specialized subject these days that you can't really keep abreast of multiple specialisms?

Federal judges are expected to be generalists, and cases are usually assigned at least semi-randomly, but the Chief Judge of a U.S. District Court has broad discretion to assign cases, so someone with a particularly good track record at a certain kind of case might tend to get them more often.

Usually if a federal judge gets a case and feels some specialty knowledge is required to deal with it, they'll appoint a Special Master specifically for recommendations on the tricky issue. This is often a retired judge, although attorneys and experts in a particular field (like doctors or engineers) can also be Special Masters, who are not strictly speaking acting as judges in every case.

 

[Windex]

Notably soon (and around the time) after the filing fee would have been a hardship, he filed numerious cases against Swift in Small Claims courts and Federal ones. For example, he paid the exact same filing fee 4 months earlier

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.tnmd.82776/gov.uscourts.tnmd.82776.1.12.pdf

And it should be noted that Russell filed against KF the same exact day he pleaded guilty to electronic harassment of Erika. His rage at losing the option of a plea in abeyance (which would’ve left him without a record, if successfully completed) should’ve been aimed at himself, since he’s the one who balked at the treatment aspect of the plea, but instead he turned his seething towards KF.

 

[Bill Evans 45]

The tactical nuke has been dropped.

While my previous postings evidence my less than optimistic nature, I believe the nuke has been loaded and the bomber is taxiing down the runway.

But for the court itself, it is difficult to imagine this registering as anything more than a low-priority nuisance, another entry flagged by case-management software as “overdue,” rather than a matter of importance.
Its best to keep that idea in mind whenever your wondering why two judges won't adjudicate this case.

Yup. This is a very low priority case. Nobody has been murdered, raped, robbed at gunpoint or trafficked huge quantities of controlled drugs. More importantly, neither party is a huge corporation.

It's better than accepting a system is flawed enough to allow this to go on as it has for 5 years, but again, maybe I simply had too much faith in it at the start.

I did jury service as a but young Billy aged 24. That was an eye opener that I still have a kernel of anger about the outcome of, all these years later. The courts are run by humans, each as flawed and partial as any other.
I'll quote Terry Pratchett's Death on this: THERE IS NO JUSTICE, THERE IS JUST US.

Hardin basically asked them to wait until SCOTUS rules.

Which led to the judges embracing the Greer Method. They honestly thought that meant everything stopped until that ruling was made. It was a simple case of excusable neglect.

 

[Debbie Macomber]

Very happy to continue fighting this for the next 2, 3, 4 years? Maybe we'll see an end to it in 2026.

The prophecy of Null shall be fulfilled!

When I first saw this post in 2024, I thought Null was being a debbie downer, there's no way this shitshow goes on another 2 YEARS!!!