Paris climate agreement withdrawal salt - Earth is now doomed

[Absolutego]

This is just typical zero substance Trump bullshit. The Paris accord obliged us to do nothing we weren't going to do anyway.

And now China takes the lead, great job. They're currently moving toward nuclear in a big way, and while they're doing it, they're locking up their supplies of all the radioactive ores on the planet. While this dumbfuck is fighting about 19th Century level coal shit.

Great job, idiot.

Of course, you won't find a single liberal dumbass pointing out we should also be moving toward nuclear power, because REEEE REEEEEE nukes.

The leftist uninformed screeching about nuclear power is like half the reason there are so many in this country that consider climate change a left-wing conspiracy. Any rational mind that looks at the problems caused by reliance on petrochemicals quickly sees nuclear power as the most immediate solution to getting us off of them, but the moonbat environmentalist wing that freaks out the most about global warming thinks we can somehow sustain a power grid off solar and wind farms.

 

[AnOminous]

I'd buy ice cream flavored with Mountain Dew and human misery. I'd buy two scoops of that shit.

The leftist uninformed screeching about nuclear power is like half the reason there are so many in this country that consider climate change a left-wing conspiracy. Any rational mind that looks at the problems caused by reliance on petrochemicals quickly sees nuclear power as the most immediate solution to getting us off of them, but the moonbat environmentalist wing that freaks out the most about global warming thinks we can somehow sustain a power grid off solar and wind farms.

Perhaps one of the most infuriating things about Al Gore's climate change campaign was literally refusing to acknowledge that nuclear power even exists and is as carbon neutral as you get as an alternative.

Also, all of the nuclear disasters we have had were in reactors that are utterly obsolete, and of designs that will probably never be built again.

 

[Asa_Spades60]

I'd buy ice cream flavored with Mountain Dew and human misery.

Why would you want ice cream flavored with Mountain Dew and rum raisin?

 

[Viracocha]

The leftist uninformed screeching about nuclear power is like half the reason there are so many in this country that consider climate change a left-wing conspiracy. Any rational mind that looks at the problems caused by reliance on petrochemicals quickly sees nuclear power as the most immediate solution to getting us off of them, but the moonbat environmentalist wing that freaks out the most about global warming thinks we can somehow sustain a power grid off solar and wind farms.

To be fair (and unless I'm wrong about this, since I'm not an expert on renewable energy), the main hurdle with implementing nuclear power is the amount of radioactive waste and the logistics as to where to store it. Unless we can find a way to recycle that material it will remain highly controversial.

 

[AnOminous]

To be fair (and unless I'm wrong about this, since I'm not an expert on renewable energy), the main hurdle with implementing nuclear power is the amount of radioactive waste and the logistics as to where to store it. Unless we can find a way to recycle that material it will remain highly controversial.

Every single conceivable source of power we have available to us has massive drawbacks. Did you know burning coal actually releases more radioactivity into the atmosphere than a nuclear power plant, which releases practically none? Specifically, it releases uranium and thorium.

 

[Absolutego]

To be fair (and unless I'm wrong about this, since I'm not an expert on renewable energy), the main hurdle with implementing nuclear power is the amount of radioactive waste and the logistics as to where to store it. Unless we can find a way to recycle that material it will remain highly controversial.

Modern reactors can recycle nuclear waste to the point where for each pound of nuclear material you use for fuel you're maybe creating a 1/4 ounce of unrecyclable waste. Nuclear waste hasn't been a serious impediment for nuclear technology for the last 15 years, but everyone steadfastedly refuses to inform themselves of the new technology and acts like all nuclear power plants are a 3 mile island waiting to happen.

Modern thorium reactors can be built to withstand a 747 flying into them and create so little waste that it would take 100 years to fill up a barrel with unusable radioactive material. The drawbacks for nuclear technology have been political only for most of our lifetimes.

 

[zap2theextreme]

Every single conceivable source of power we have available to us has massive drawbacks. Did you know burning coal actually releases more radioactivity into the atmosphere than a nuclear power plant, which releases practically none? Specifically, it releases uranium and thorium.

uuhhh but i saw on the Simpsons homer had uranium in his pants and Mr. Burns is bad

 

[cuddle striker]

we could literally send it to the damn moon, unmanned.

nukes are the way we stave off trouble until the tech for solar catches up. it will, but it's not quite there yet. if we can go nuclear for say, ten years, then decommission and transfer the burden to solar when we're ready, we could be off the teat really soon.

I live relatively close to a nuclear plant. it's older so yeah, a bit of danger there. and an earthquake zone. ugh.

just put them away from fault lines and build with the modern tech ffs

 

[AnOminous]

we could literally send it to the damn moon, unmanned.

nukes are the way we stave off trouble until the tech for solar catches up. it will, but it's not quite there yet.

The way to do solar is not capturing infinitesimally tiny amounts from the Earth's surface, it's to set up a ring of solar panels somewhere around Mercury orbit and then slowly work your way up to a Dyson sphere and capture the entire solar output. At that point, humanity is gods compared to what we are now.

 

[cuddle striker]

The way to do solar is not capturing infinitesimally tiny amounts from the Earth's surface, it's to set up a ring of solar panels somewhere around Mercury orbit and then slowly work your way up to a Dyson sphere and capture the entire solar output. At that point, humanity is gods compared to what we are now.

actually there's tech on the way to concentrate it in orbit. (above the atmosphere, orbiting earth) not too far out of reach, about five to ten years. but the funding will have to be there and as long as we're relying on digging rocks up to burn we aren't gonna get there.

nuclear could get us there.

 

[AnOminous]

actually there's tech on the way to concentrate it in orbit. (above the atmosphere, orbiting earth) not too far out of reach, about five to ten years. but the funding will have to be there and as long as we're relying on digging rocks up to burn we aren't gonna get there.

nuclear could get us there.

Good intermediate step, but that's still letting 99.999999% with a bunch of other 9s out there radiate out uselessly into space.

 

[zap2theextreme]

are you saying we should basically launch all the wacky tobaccy to the moon?

 

[Absolutego]

Good intermediate step, but that's still letting 99.999999% with a bunch of other 9s out there radiate out uselessly into space.

Keep in mind we need a little bit of that 99.99% to radiate our way to actually have a livable planet when building your dyson sphere.

 

[cuddle striker]

Good intermediate step, but that's still letting 99.999999% with a bunch of other 9s out there radiate out uselessly into space.

it doesn't even matter though since China isn't on board for decades yet. also because trump wants coal.

are you saying we should basically launch all the wacky tobaccy to the moon?

yes. fuck the moon.

 

[Null]

This is just typical zero substance Trump bullshit. The Paris accord obliged us to do nothing we weren't going to do anyway.

And now China takes the lead, great job. They're currently moving toward nuclear in a big way, and while they're doing it, they're locking up their supplies of all the radioactive ores on the planet. While this dumbfuck is fighting about 19th Century level coal shit.

Great job, idiot.

Of course, you won't find a single liberal dumbass pointing out we should also be moving toward nuclear power, because REEEE REEEEEE nukes.

So you're saying we should have signed a non-binding and utterly useless agreement to somehow put us ahead of China? I agree that nuclear energy is the way of the future, but nothing about this affects us from moving forward with that on our own. That's the primary focus here.

In this agreement we would be pledging money to "emerging economies" like brazil, india, and china. The only economy larger than the US is an emerging economy under this deal, and we would be giving them free money without any international ability to enforce the terms of the agreement. They aren't even expected to do anything until 2030, and as you pointed out, it's non-binding. All China would do at 2030 is go "lol nvm" and leave the agreement.

Just a bad, bad deal. Self-castration. Sad!

 

[TowinKarz]

I think it's a bit odd that TMI and Fukushima are held up as "disasters" when we rack up a bigger body count in this country daily from people falling off ladders.

They may have been economic disasters in terms of who got the cleanup bill, but only Chernobyl actually caused a direct body count, and trying to trace whose cancer 35 years from now was caused by a nuclear plant as opposed to one of any other 10 billion carcinogens you contacted in that time is nitpicking to the extreme.

Yet the ones that didn't kill anyone are routinely held up as proof they're more dangerous than the one that ACTUALLY killed people.

 

[AnOminous]

So you're saying we should have signed a non-binding and utterly useless agreement to somehow put us ahead of China? I agree that nuclear energy is the way of the future, but nothing about this affects us from moving forward with that on our own. That's the primary focus here.

I'm saying it really doesn't matter, and makes no difference until either Trump's second term or after he loses. If all the Democrats do is autistic screeching from here on out, it will probably be the former.

 

[Elijah]

It's not salt if it's justified freaking out imo. This is a really bad move for global warming.

 

[Absolutego]

It's not salt if it's justified freaking out imo. This is a really bad move for global warming.

You're right, that 0.2 degree change in global temperatures is totally a critical fight against global warming. This agreement was totally going to turn the tide in that fight by letting the largest polluter in the world off the hook for doing jack shit until 2030.

We're already seeing the American system in action as states that care about this are agreeing to abide by its rules anyways, the USA not formally joining isn't a bad move in the slightest. The salt continues to flow from the misinformed and hysterics, though.

 

[El Garbage]

Did you know burning coal actually releases more radioactivity into the atmosphere than a nuclear power plant, which releases practically none? Specifically, it releases uranium and thorium.

"Bb-but the solar panels and wind farms! Germany is now ALMOST COMPLETELY RENEWABLE! Soon there is no need for anything but free green eco energy from the sun! And wind! And possibly moon!"

Indeed.