Culture Big Paychecks Can’t Woo Enough Sailors for America’s Commercial Fleet - The U.S. faces a growing sailor shortage despite maritime jobs offering big pay and significant perks

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Graduates taking the oath of office during the U.S. Merchant Marine Academy’s 87th commencement
at Kings Point, N.Y., in 2023


KINGS POINT, N.Y.—Some of America’s best starting salaries are at sea. And they aren’t luring enough workers.

Straight out of college, graduates from the country’s maritime academies can earn more than $200,000 as a commercial sailor, with free food and private accommodations. Commercial sailors travel the world. Coffee breaks come with an ocean view. At night, the sky explodes with stars.

Despite the pay and perks, maritime jobs go begging, and it is raising national-security concerns. America is already short of commercial seafarers for a cargo fleet President Trump wants to see grow. Very little cargo currently moves on American-flagged ships, partly because of staffing. U.S. shipping companies, which are generally required to hire Americans, say they are starved of crews.

The shortage is getting attention. An executive order from President Trump and proposed bipartisan legislation aim to resurrect America’s maritime industry across shipbuilding, ship ownership and shipboard staffing.


Commercial shipping fleets, percentage of world total

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*Four-year period
Notes: Oceangoing self-propelled, cargo-carrying vessels of 1,000 gross tons and above; data for China
not available before 1980.
Sources: S&P Global Market Intelligence (China & U.S. since 2000), U.S. Dept. of Transportation (U.S. before
2000)


The Pentagon depends on commercial sailors and private ocean carriers to move its equipment. The U.S. employs an estimated 10,000 commercial sailors, a number that has fallen sharply over recent decades as America outsourced much of its shipping demands to China and other countries.

For the Navy, which operates only a small number of cargo ships and relies on commercial carriers and mariners for most of its needs, the shortfall could be crippling. The Navy last year mothballed 17 supply ships because there weren’t enough commercial crews to run them. In a conflict, America would likely struggle to position, reinforce and resupply its overseas forces.

“Assuming we can build ships or bring them back under U.S. flag, can we man them sufficiently?” asked retired Navy Rear Adm. Mark Buzby, a U.S. Merchant Marine Academy graduate and former administrator of the Transportation Department’s Maritime Administration. “I don’t think so, not without some significant changes” that boost the number of marine-academy graduates and improve industry job retention, he said.

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Merchant Marine training exercises on Hoffman Island, an early training ground in Lower New York
Bay, during World War II


The U.S. began as a seagoing nation and the merchant marine—its corps of commercial sailors—played a vital role in winning World War II. But slowly over the years, the country’s shipping industry atrophied as U.S. dependence on inexpensive, foreign-made goods came to rely on foreign-operated cargo ships with foreign crews.

Being a sailor wasn’t a great job through most of America’s history, and in much of the world it still isn’t. Many veteran American sailors no longer want to spend months at sea, where until recently they had been largely cut off from communications—though the advent of satellite-internet is changing that.

To address the problem, shipping companies have begun offering fat signing bonuses. To retain hires, they are lifting salaries while improving onboard gyms, connectivity and cuisine.

Still, many young people aren’t even aware that the jobs exist.

When John Salkeld told students from other colleges he was studying to be a commercial sailor, he faced befuddlement.

“They’re like, ‘Wait—that’s a thing? Are you on a big boat, going across the ocean?’” recalled Salkeld, who graduated in June from the U.S. Merchant Marine Academy, the nation’s premier institution for training commercial sailors.

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Noah Lastner at sea near Mumbai while studying at the U.S. Merchant Marine Academy, and John
Salkeld cleaning part of a ship engine's air system at sea while attending the academy.


Noah Lastner, who also graduated from the academy in June and has since sailed to Singapore and the Philippines, said young people often learn too late about the opportunity.

“You find out after you went to normal college and you’re sitting in this cubicle and you’re trying to find another option,” said Lastner, who spent months sailing while at the academy and has also worked in real estate. “Once I went to sea, I realized how hard it would be to give up that lifestyle and transition back” to an office job, he said.

Since his recent voyage, Lastner has lived out of a van, driving across the U.S. skydiving, base jumping and speedflying in spots including Utah’s Wasatch Mountains.


Number of seafarers in the U.S.

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Note: The Maritime Administration stopped publishing seafarer data in 2000.
Sources: U.S. Maritime Administration; staff reports (current estimate)


The Merchant Marine Academy, founded in 1943 to address wartime need for sailors (and also known as Kings Point for its location on New York’s Long Island Sound), is one of only five federal service academies. Unlike the others, it struggles for attention and funding.

Kings Point, with an enrollment of roughly 975 students, in recent years has drawn more attention for a sexual-abuse scandal than its academics or career opportunities.

“This academy has been neglected for way too long,” said Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy, addressing a school dinner in April. He has since returned twice, and the Academy recently released a campus modernization plan to address Trump’s executive order.

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The Kings Pointer, a training vessel used by the U.S. Merchant Marine Academy, docked at the
academy in Kings Point, N.Y.


Commercial sailors generally spend about six months at sea each year, broken into smaller stints, though they may work more or less. While at sea they work every day, covering a required shift plus potential overtime.

When not at sea, most American sailors relax or hold landside second jobs that tap their knowledge of machinery and engineering. Shipping companies usually fly them to sailing stints from anywhere, so many live in exotic or low-tax locations.

“I don’t think sailing is that hard to sell,” said Charles Wahlin, another June graduate from Kings Point. “I mean—money, six months vacation, live wherever you want. And you’re serving the nation. What other job allows that much flexibility?”

Lastner said the quality-of-life offset for spending months at sea is the option to spend several months straight at home, when “you can actually be present.”

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Charles Wahlin aboard a car-carrying ship off the coast of Japan during his time at sea as a U.S.
Merchant Marine Academy midshipman.


As artificial intelligence threatens more office jobs, hands-on work like sailing is increasingly appealing, especially to the mechanically inclined.

“It’s honestly the ultimate man-cave,” said Wahlin. “Nobody would care if you just took out the welder—like, after work, you just were welding.”

The recent graduates say that with the right pitch, sailing could become more broadly appealing.

“If you went to the average auto-mechanic shop and were like, ‘Hey, you want every tool ever, almost infinite supplies, and you can do whatever you want?’ they’d be like, ‘Yeah, sure, how do I do that?’” said Wahlin. “And by the way, you make 140 grand” as a base salary for six months of work.

Best of all, said Wahlin, “It’s fun.”




>200k salary
>Free food
>Private acommodations
>6 months vacation
>Travel the world
>Slay pussy in every port across the world

Kiwi zoomers, what is your excuse?
:thinking:
 
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I have only worked as a crusie ship bartender, but the biggest problem is the free time, when working it is great, you get into the routine of gym, food, work and that is your life. But then comes the two weeks off with a lot of money, and that was just not healthy.
 
The maritime academies are a mostly unknown but awesome undergrad education option if you live in-state for one of them. I have a friend who got his undergrad engineering degree at one, then took a few merchant marine jobs to pay for a really good law school.

Seeing the tuition at Mass Maritime makes you think you time traveled back to the 80s.
Yeah, King's Point is a really underrated choice for high school graduates looking to attend a service academy. You can join up any branch after graduating, or you have the option to go reserve and instantly have a job that pays well out of college. Best part is that it isn't a cutthroat race for admission, they'll take middling GPAs as well.
With that said, nearly every KP grad I know bitches about a lot of the bullshit they had to put up with while attending.
 
"I have been to their country and I have seen how they live, and they live like rats." - Said to me by a Greek First Officer, circa 2008.
Before I came onboard I was told to bring my own roll of toilet paper, if that alludes to the conditions that they live in at all. There was actually toilet paper aboard their ship. It was thinner than one-ply, if that's possible. I might as well have been wiping my * * * with my bare hand.
After a particularly wet small boat ride over to their ship, I was dying to get out of my sea water-drenched uniform and into a fresh one (unfortunately, my entire bag was completely soaked to include my shirts, underwear, spare uniform, phone, camera, and my roll of toilet paper)... I walked into their "officer's head" (their are extremely, extremely hierarchical and classist, even from a military standpoint) and there was a good 2" of * * * * -water sloshing around back and forth across the deck and an obscure, probably live wire with it's end wrapped in electrical tape non-surreptitiously protruding from the wall. They have an entire "class" of civilians onboard. I still don't know what to make of them. I think they were some sort of cheap labor, but everybody onboard referred to them as slaves. As in, they used the word "slave". Anyways, the quarters those guys lived in was awful, it was basically a big open space partitioned with a sheet. They slept on a steel deck with a simple blanket and a pillow. Good times. Their enlisted guys didn't have it much better. Their berthing was infested with rats (a guy from my ship swore up and down that he saw a rat that was no-* * * * the length of his arm) and another US sailor from another ship came back covered in bed-bug sores. Dude looked like he had * * * * * * * chicken pocks.
 
Yeah, 200k a year to work 7 day weeks, 16 hours a day, for half a year straight
I worked like that for some big engineering projects several years ago. The money you make is pretty much irrelevant because when would you spend any of it? You barely have time to perform the basic tasks that sustain life.

It wouldn't be worth it for anything less than like "retire at 30" money and $200k (which is already wildly optimistic) ain't that.
 
I've heard the bulk of sailors are flips and jeets
Certainly true in the Southern hemisphere.

I have seen all kinds of shit. I have eaten on ships with all Indian crews and been fine. I have drunk with Russian crews and had a great time. I have been aboard the overinsured rusty, floating death traps that MSC leases for the southern routes; these shit heaps should be scuttled and there's a reason why they all have Flag of Convenience registration in Liberia or Montenegro.
I have discharged the island hoppers, where the Tuvaluan crew are getting paid $1.50/hr and consider themselves well off.

One of the best ships had an all Jeet crew and a Paki First/Second officer. I'm pretty sure they were plotting to wrap him in chains and drop him over the Marianas Trench.
 
It's like being a roughneck. The pay might be great but you're living with other roughnecks, and there's the problem.

I heard a podcast about Richard Speck and how he was thinking about signing up to work on a boat and the podcaster pointed out that people who are suited to that kind of life are often people who aren't suited to the civilian life for various reasons.

There's a part of me that thinks that fucking around on a boat half the year sounds ideal, but I know it's the part of me that would gleefully tip an annoying fellow crew member over the side in heavy seas. And then I think that maybe I would be the annoying fellow crew member, and the fantasy dissipates.
 
This is like the Ford CEO lying a few weeks ago and claiming he had tens of thousands of 100k plus jobs for US mechanics open. Is this the new scam bait and switching retards?
 
What is the actual salary?
Yep unfortunately most of these firms aren't paying big bucks because if they were kids would be jumping left and right out of high-school or millenials would jump on it.
It's the same problem the oil fields have, the pay is immaculate but the work is so shitty, it's hard to find people who can do it.
Personally, I think it's mostly the people who are more or less forced to work jobs like that, they're all generally very unpleasant
, drives off new hires.
You can find people to work in the oil patch its just right now no one is paying booku bucks like they were back in 2010.
I have only worked as a crusie ship bartender, but the biggest problem is the free time, when working it is great, you get into the routine of gym, food, work and that is your life. But then comes the two weeks off with a lot of money, and that was just not healthy.
I love taking trains and for me I would love to go to Miami or Houston and start my travels across america.
 
Since his recent voyage, Lastner has lived out of a van, driving across the U.S. skydiving, base jumping and speedflying in spots including Utah’s Wasatch Mountains.
Ahh yes, this young man sounds like someone I should take life advice from.

That said, these comments lend truth to the argument about "jobs Americans don't want". It's kind of pathetic to hear people bitch about lack of opportunities out of one side of their mouth, then complain "no, not that field" out of the other. Young people need to be willing to take inconvenient work when they have to, be it the service or something like this. They act like they're too good for it.
 
Yep unfortunately most of these firms aren't paying big bucks because if they were kids would be jumping left and right out of high-school or millenials would jump on it.

You can find people to work in the oil patch its just right now no one is paying booku bucks like they were back in 2010.
I love taking trains and for me I would love to go to Miami or Houston and start my travels across america.
I even lived without a home for a year, on a two weeks on/two weeks off sceudule it was great, you could always catch a cheap flight somewhere cheap and warm and just stay in hotels. It sounds great to be on holliday for two weeks every month, but it gets old quick. And then you have to go back and watch other people party for two weeks, so you are essentially living in bars and hotels all the time. Luckily I accidentally got someone pregnant, and I think that saved my life.
 
We're going to see a lot of articles like this for the next couple years from all sorts of industries who don't want to give up their line-go-up gains....

"Despite increasing pay, Americans still won't take these jobs we're desperately short on! We need immigrants!"

How much did you increase that pay by?

"Oh, a lot!"

How much?

"A lot!"

*puts gun in face* I WANT A NUMBER!

"Uh, from $5 an hour to $5.75"

That's what I thought.....
 
We're going to see a lot of articles like this for the next couple years from all sorts of industries who don't want to give up their line-go-up gains....

"Despite increasing pay, Americans still won't take these jobs we're desperately short on! We need immigrants!"

How much did you increase that pay by?

"Oh, a lot!"

How much?

"A lot!"

*puts gun in face* I WANT A NUMBER!

"Uh, from $5 an hour to $5.75"

That's what I thought.....
its a pentagon advertisement. they need sailors to run their supply boats for the next big war.
 
Median wage is $49k in 2024 for sailors and marine oilers.
Gotta start somewhere if you can't find that $200k job straight out of HS. If people want to make big money they need to pay their dues, one way or another, and work their way up.

That or they can cry about there being no jobs, scam handouts from a government they hate, and wait for a communist revolution to redistribute the wealth.

Soft bitches want "influencer" lives.
 
I did it. This was around 10-15 years ago and I'm a bong so not the same, but I earned around £45k a year as a 3rd engineer and was about to go to £54k as a 2nd until I quit. My son was born and I decided money wasn't the most important thing in the world. I paid zero tax on this, UK law means if you are outside the country for more than half a year you pay no income tax.

Buuuuuuttt, you work really hard for it. Typical rotation was 4 months on, 2 and a bit off. Some places you could get equal 3/3 but less pay. It's 7 days a week, Monday to Friday was 6am-6pm, Saturday you might finish a couple of hours early, usually a half day Sunday. So you're working at least 60-70 hours a week, especially if something happens that needs all hands on deck like critical machinery failure. Then if it's your duty day, you need to go back down at 9pm to check the engine room for another hour, then if any faults happen overnight you need to be in your boiler suit and in the control room within 3 minutes otherwise it sets off a shipwide alarm, then you need to get fixing. This would typically happen around 3am, not earlier or later. The work itself is labour intensive and engine rooms would typically run at 40-50°C ambient (104-122F for our American friends) so you would be completely fucking exhausted end of the day. This doesn't really apply to deckies (bridge crew) who don't have to work in such conditions but still inexplicably get equal pay, but have much reduced job prospects outside of a ship so I feel engineering is the better deal.

At the time I was going to sea internet access was very poor, as in you would go on a news site, come back in a couple of minutes and the page may have loaded. You could send emails, voice chat over internet maybe if you woke up before anyone else so had the whole ship internet connection to yourself. Forget videos. I'm told it's much better now though so you can actually use the internet almost the same as at home, probably to stop people quitting. The amount of faggots who couldn't handle being disconnected from the internet, even 10 years ago was pretty shocking. Can only imagine what it's like now.

Back to the story, Americans aren't at sea because even compared to what I was on, their wages were obscene. I worked for a major US oil company and only a few ships in the fleet were actually crewed by Americans, and that was to comply with an American law about transit between US ports. Americans aren't at sea for the same reason bongs aren't anymore either, jeets and Filipino faggots have taken the jobs for about 1/4 of the price. That is until they crash the ship into a bridge or empty a fuel oil tank into the port because they are too busy being incompetent/lazy, but this is business.
 
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