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Do we have any Rome nerds here to say who's right? Elon is so obsessed with the Mars shit that it does seem possible he might have studied the Rome collapse at some point. I don't know anything about Rome myself, I just make up references to it that project my own worldview.
Rome was not lacking in citizenry by the end, so from my own cursory knowledge on the subject Helmet guy is closer to reality.

Importing a bazillion barbarians into their territory didn't help very much.
 
Do we have any Rome nerds here to say who's right? Elon is so obsessed with the Mars shit that it does seem possible he might have studied the Rome collapse at some point. I don't know anything about Rome myself, I just make up references to it that project my own worldview.
Without writing paragraphs about it, the Greek and Roman empires both collapsed due to outsourcing their military to janissaries who then received citizenship and an excessive amount of African slave labor. Elon is extremely wrong. He's also so wealthy that it really doesn't matter how wrong he is, he has fully transitioned into a Princess Morbucks style caricature of a loathsome wealthy cunt.
 
Do we have any Rome nerds here to say who's right? Elon is so obsessed with the Mars shit that it does seem possible he might have studied the Rome collapse at some point. I don't know anything about Rome myself, I just make up references to it that project my own worldview.
It isn’t my area of expertise but I do remember the Roman military becoming increasingly less Roman as it fell apart.
 
Do we have any Rome nerds here to say who's right? Elon is so obsessed with the Mars shit that it does seem possible he might have studied the Rome collapse at some point. I don't know anything about Rome myself, I just make up references to how they would have handled XYZ which are projections of my own worldview.
Western Rome decayed for a variety of reasons, but population decline wasn't one of them. Interestingly, there are two major hypotheses for its decline that are very relevant to Elon:

1) The outsourcing of defense and other public functions to mercenary foreigners
2) Increasing shirking of duty by the upper classes to the polis - the upper classes found increasingly effective ways to avoid paying taxes and contributing to the upkeep of the empire. By the time the west fell, Roman infrastructure was in systemic decline.

Food for thought.

(I don't think these things are very applicable to the US. It's far more likely that we undergo another half-century of intensely restrictive immigration policy like we did in the first half of the 20th century. Elon isn't American though so he doesn't really have any conception of our history and what is likely to happen to him if things keep up. His entire paradigm of America is basically post-Cold War because he's a rootless white nigger, so he's incapable of understanding that he's not going to get his way.)
 
We need to prepare young men for hard physical work if we want them to take those jobs which are the ones actually in demand. Instead we will focus more time to teaching them political correctness and office work skills.
If we didn't have jeets taking all the white collar jobs and illegals taking all the blue collar ones, every industry would be in demand.
 
We need to prepare young men for hard physical work if we want them to take those jobs which are the ones actually in demand. Instead we will focus more time to teaching them political correctness and office work skills.
Young men will pounce at the jobs if they gain something from it. They are disincentivized from it entirely. Apply this to everywhere the US has a "shortage of workers" that need to be filled by foreign labor.
 
1) The outsourcing of defense and other public functions to mercenary foreigners
2) Increasing shirking of duty by the upper classes to the polis - the upper classes found increasingly effective ways to avoid paying taxes and contributing to the upkeep of the empire. By the time the west fell, Roman infrastructure was in systemic decline.
3. Awarding women political power. This one is undeniable.
 
Do we have any Rome nerds here to say who's right? Elon is so obsessed with the Mars shit that it does seem possible he might have studied the Rome collapse at some point. I don't know anything about Rome myself, I just make up references to it that project my own worldview.
RHG is right but also the answer is more nuanced. It wasn't just the outsourcing of the military, it's political class had also become almost entirely retarded and incompetent and several of the emperors after Augustus were just batshit insane. The empire bankrupted itself and acted as though they were the Rome of old even though they were visibly weaker and poorer, and the barbarians took notice.
 
RHG is right but also the answer is more nuanced. It wasn't just the outsourcing of the military, it's political class had also become almost entirely retarded and incompetent and several of the emperors after Augustus were just batshit insane. The empire bankrupted itself and acted as though they were the Rome of old even though they were visibly weaker and poorer, and the barbarians took notice.
Didn't one of the emperors become a tranny that liked to sneak out at night and let dudes rail him, on top of being so hated by everyone that his own guards assassinated him
 
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RHG is right but also the answer is more nuanced. It wasn't just the outsourcing of the military, it's political class had also become almost entirely retarded and incompetent and several of the emperors after Augustus were just batshit insane. The empire bankrupted itself and acted as though they were the Rome of old even though they were visibly weaker and poorer, and the barbarians took notice.
Fun fact: The Western Roman empire was so far gone that, by the time it fell in 476, the capital was no longer even in fucking Rome - it was in Ravenna
 
Do we have any Rome nerds here to say who's right? Elon is so obsessed with the Mars shit that it does seem possible he might have studied the Rome collapse at some point. I don't know anything about Rome myself, I just make up references to it that project my own worldview.
Musk knows fuckall about roman history. he butchered the fuck out of a latin quote a few times as well. I'm sure he's good at whatever it is he does, sell snakeoil to retards.. but outside of that, he's pretty dumb.

https://www.newsweek.com/musk-irony-vox-populi-trump-quote-1761051
 
Do we have any Rome nerds here to say who's right? Elon is so obsessed with the Mars shit that it does seem possible he might have studied the Rome collapse at some point. I don't know anything about Rome myself, I just make up references to it that project my own worldview.
Helmet guy is ultimately right imo. The Romans increasingly relied on German and other barbarian mercenaries, and even settled tribes on the border called foederati. Some of these foederati included the Franks and Visigoths(this tribe ultimately ended up sacking Rome instead of protecting it).
 
Why am I supposed to give two fucks about Marge? Bad enough the dumb bitch wanted to destroy the website, but then she has to have a recent interview, acting fucking smug about how she owns a construction company (implying she's rich and knows better than the average American i.e. the poors) and we need to keep the wetbacks here so her profit margin doesn't go down. "I'M NOT A TRAITOR" YES YOU FUCKING ARE YOU BEANER-WORSHIPPING TART. Eat shit, you worthless cunt. I wish justice applied to everybody, your businesses got audited and you got fucking fine-fucked and incarcerated for hiring illegals, you miserable skank. Retard probably even hired jeets to manage her data and answer her phones. Stupid fucking nigger.
 
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