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In a meeting with Volodymyr Zelenskyy at the White House on Friday, Donald Trump repeatedly echoed talking points Vladimir Putin had made in their call a day earlier, according to people familiar with the matter © Press Service Of The President Of Ukraine

Christopher Miller in Kyiv, Max Seddon in Berlin, Henry Foy in Brussels and Amy Mackinnon in Washington

Donald Trump urged Volodymyr Zelenskyy to accept Russia’s terms for ending its war in a volatile White House meeting on Friday, warning that Vladimir Putin had said he would “destroy” Ukraine if it did not agree.

The meeting between the US and Ukrainian presidents descended many times into a “shouting match”, with Trump “cursing all the time”, people familiar with the matter said.

They added that the US president tossed aside maps of the frontline in Ukraine, insisted Zelenskyy surrender the entire Donbas region to Putin, and repeatedly echoed talking points the Russian leader had made in their call a day earlier.

Though Ukraine ultimately managed to swing Trump back to endorsing a freeze of the current front lines, the acrimonious meeting appeared to reflect the capricious nature of Trump’s position on the war and his willingness to endorse Putin’s maximalist demands.

The meeting between Trump and Zelenskyy came amid a fresh push by the US president to end Russia’s war following the ceasefire secured between Israel and Hamas.

Zelenskyy and his team went to the White House hoping to persuade Trump to supply them with long-range Tomahawk cruise missiles, but the US president ultimately declined to do so.

The tense meeting echoed a similarly fractious encounter at the White House in February, in which Trump and Vice-President JD Vance lambasted Zelenskyy for what they characterised as a lack of gratitude towards the US.

During Friday’s meeting, Trump appeared to have adopted many of Putin’s talking points verbatim, even when they contradicted his own recent statements about Russia’s weaknesses, said European officials briefed on the meeting.

According to a European official with knowledge of the meeting, Trump told Zelenskyy that the Ukrainian leader needed to cut a deal or face destruction.

The official said that Trump told Zelenskyy he was losing the war, warning: “If [Putin] wants it, he will destroy you.”

At one point in the meeting, the US president threw Ukraine’s maps of the battlefield to one side, the official familiar with the encounter said.

The White House and the Ukrainian president’s office did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

Trump told Fox News on Sunday that he was confident about securing an end to the conflict, and added that Putin is “going to take something, he’s won certain property”.

Putin made a new offer to Trump on Thursday under which Ukraine would surrender the parts of the eastern Donbas region under its control in exchange for some small areas of the two southern frontline regions of Kherson and Zaporizhzhia.

The Russian proposal marks a small concession from that made during Putin’s last meeting with Trump in Alaska in August, where he said he would agree to freeze the line of contact elsewhere on the frontline if Ukraine surrendered the Donbas.

That meeting also ended acrimoniously after Putin rejected Trump’s push for an immediate ceasefire and digressed at length about medieval Ukrainian history, prompting the US to explore ramped-up support for Kyiv, including by supplying Tomahawk missiles.

But ceding the remainder of the Donbas still under Ukrainian control would be a non-starter for Ukraine, as it would hand Moscow territory it has only partially occupied for more than a decade and failed to seize despite its efforts since Putin ordered the invasion in 2022.

Russian forces have struggled to retain the territory in Kherson and Zaporizhzhia that Putin offered in exchange, and have made virtually no progress on the battlefield there since 2022, the year the war began.

“To give [the Donbas] to Russia without a fight is unacceptable for Ukrainian society, and Putin knows that,” said Oleksandr Merezhko, chair of the Ukrainian parliament’s foreign affairs committee.

He said that Putin might be pushing the contentious idea “with a purpose to cause division within Ukraine and undermine our unity”.

Merezhko added: “It’s not about getting more territory for Russia, it’s about how to destroy us from within.”

Trump’s belligerent repetition of Putin’s rhetoric on Friday dashed hopes among many of Ukraine’s European allies that he could be convinced to increase support to Kyiv.

That hope had risen after Trump in recent weeks expressed frustration and impatience with the Russian president’s refusal to actively engage in bilateral peace negotiations with Zelenskyy.

Three other European officials briefed on the White House discussions confirmed that Trump had spent much of the meeting lecturing Zelenskyy, repeating Putin’s arguments about the conflict and urging him to accept the Russian proposal.

“Zelenskyy was very negative” following the meeting, according to one of the officials, adding that European leaders were “not optimistic but pragmatic with planning next steps”.

In a statement on Sunday, Zelenskyy said “decisive steps are needed from the United States, Europe, the G20 and G7 countries” to end the war.

Additional reporting by Claire Jones in Washington
 
So Trump is (again) flip-flopping and blaming Zelensky for… not giving up half of his country to the invading country that is committing war crimes on a daily basis?

And this is the guy who Republicans think deserves the Nobel Peace Prize?

This a such a Reddit-level take.

  • Ukraine has been at civil war since the “coup” in 2014.
  • Since then, the ethnic Russian minority has been terrorised.
  • Certain areas of eastern Ukraine (such as Crimea) had always been ethnically Russian, and only became part of Ukrainian territory in the 70’s. Some areas as late as 1991.
  • So, after being persecuted, these Russian-majority, historically and indigenously Russian areas wanted to separate from Ukraine.
  • Ukraine said no, and lots of fighting, killing and breaking of Minsk agreements ensued.
  • Zelenskyy was elected on the promise of bringing peace to both Ukrainian and Russian speakers. He has failed spectacularly, created war and division - and now banned elections, so they can’t get rid of him.
  • Meanwhile, Ukraine was building up an army at the border ready to invade Russia in case it invaded them - a self fulfilling prophecy.
  • This eventually provoked Russia into invading.
  • Ukraine are also trying to join NATO, an organisation that deems Russia the enemy - having a large NATO army on their doorstep is threatening.
  • Ukraine could have ended the war in April 2022 if they agreed to never join NATO. They refused.

Zelenskyy is not innocent and Putin - though I disagree with his major escalation of the war - was not unprovoked. The areas in question largely do not want to be Ukrainian and Ukraine has done nothing to deserve keeping them.
 
When was the last time they were rebuilt? They only good for 10 or 20 years.
The UK has about 220 warheads, with I think 120 or so deployed at any given time while the rest are maintained or rebuilt. They're rotated through the AWE facility at Aldermaston on, I believe, a 10 or 15 year cycle.
 
The UK has about 220 warheads, with I think 120 or so deployed at any given time while the rest are maintained or rebuilt. They're rotated through the AWE facility at Aldermaston on, I believe, a 10 or 15 year cycle.
Didn't they do two test fires in the past decade or two with the warhead removed and both test fires failed to launch?
 
Didn't they do two test fires in the past decade or two with the warhead removed and both test fires failed to launch?
The two failures have both reportedly been attributed to human error. The failed test in 2016 was attributed to mis-programming the missile's target coordinates, while the latest failure was reportedly due to modifications made to the missile in preparation for the test.
 
The two failures have both reportedly been attributed to human error. The failed test in 2016 was attributed to mis-programming the missile's target coordinates, while the latest failure was reportedly due to modifications made to the missile in preparation for the test.
So seems like human error may happen if they need to fire an actual nuke
 
This war is such a meat grinder, and horrifying in how it's being fought.

I think I'd rather storm Normandy than lay down in some flat barren field trying to hide under 3 half blown up saplings while I wait for a drone to inevitably come by and drop a grenade on my butthole.
At least in Normandy the people shooting at you were also in range for you to shoot them. Now drones make a huge no-man's land between the front lines. And vehicles, even tanks, are insta-targets. The Russians have troops advancing on scrambler motorbikes! Fast, small and flexible. Satellite and aerial surveillance now make it exceedingly dangerous to gather in any significant numbers or prepare for a large push. So it's lots of small, infiltrating squads everywhere. Terrifying to be one of them, I imagine.

It's bizarre, really. Modern technology has returned us to trench warfare and small guerilla squads.

US doctrine also all assumes you have air superiority. It's arguable that NATO leadership might actually have harmed the Ukrainian war efforts with inappropriate tactics.
 
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