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In a meeting with Volodymyr Zelenskyy at the White House on Friday, Donald Trump repeatedly echoed talking points Vladimir Putin had made in their call a day earlier, according to people familiar with the matter © Press Service Of The President Of Ukraine

Christopher Miller in Kyiv, Max Seddon in Berlin, Henry Foy in Brussels and Amy Mackinnon in Washington

Donald Trump urged Volodymyr Zelenskyy to accept Russia’s terms for ending its war in a volatile White House meeting on Friday, warning that Vladimir Putin had said he would “destroy” Ukraine if it did not agree.

The meeting between the US and Ukrainian presidents descended many times into a “shouting match”, with Trump “cursing all the time”, people familiar with the matter said.

They added that the US president tossed aside maps of the frontline in Ukraine, insisted Zelenskyy surrender the entire Donbas region to Putin, and repeatedly echoed talking points the Russian leader had made in their call a day earlier.

Though Ukraine ultimately managed to swing Trump back to endorsing a freeze of the current front lines, the acrimonious meeting appeared to reflect the capricious nature of Trump’s position on the war and his willingness to endorse Putin’s maximalist demands.

The meeting between Trump and Zelenskyy came amid a fresh push by the US president to end Russia’s war following the ceasefire secured between Israel and Hamas.

Zelenskyy and his team went to the White House hoping to persuade Trump to supply them with long-range Tomahawk cruise missiles, but the US president ultimately declined to do so.

The tense meeting echoed a similarly fractious encounter at the White House in February, in which Trump and Vice-President JD Vance lambasted Zelenskyy for what they characterised as a lack of gratitude towards the US.

During Friday’s meeting, Trump appeared to have adopted many of Putin’s talking points verbatim, even when they contradicted his own recent statements about Russia’s weaknesses, said European officials briefed on the meeting.

According to a European official with knowledge of the meeting, Trump told Zelenskyy that the Ukrainian leader needed to cut a deal or face destruction.

The official said that Trump told Zelenskyy he was losing the war, warning: “If [Putin] wants it, he will destroy you.”

At one point in the meeting, the US president threw Ukraine’s maps of the battlefield to one side, the official familiar with the encounter said.

The White House and the Ukrainian president’s office did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

Trump told Fox News on Sunday that he was confident about securing an end to the conflict, and added that Putin is “going to take something, he’s won certain property”.

Putin made a new offer to Trump on Thursday under which Ukraine would surrender the parts of the eastern Donbas region under its control in exchange for some small areas of the two southern frontline regions of Kherson and Zaporizhzhia.

The Russian proposal marks a small concession from that made during Putin’s last meeting with Trump in Alaska in August, where he said he would agree to freeze the line of contact elsewhere on the frontline if Ukraine surrendered the Donbas.

That meeting also ended acrimoniously after Putin rejected Trump’s push for an immediate ceasefire and digressed at length about medieval Ukrainian history, prompting the US to explore ramped-up support for Kyiv, including by supplying Tomahawk missiles.

But ceding the remainder of the Donbas still under Ukrainian control would be a non-starter for Ukraine, as it would hand Moscow territory it has only partially occupied for more than a decade and failed to seize despite its efforts since Putin ordered the invasion in 2022.

Russian forces have struggled to retain the territory in Kherson and Zaporizhzhia that Putin offered in exchange, and have made virtually no progress on the battlefield there since 2022, the year the war began.

“To give [the Donbas] to Russia without a fight is unacceptable for Ukrainian society, and Putin knows that,” said Oleksandr Merezhko, chair of the Ukrainian parliament’s foreign affairs committee.

He said that Putin might be pushing the contentious idea “with a purpose to cause division within Ukraine and undermine our unity”.

Merezhko added: “It’s not about getting more territory for Russia, it’s about how to destroy us from within.”

Trump’s belligerent repetition of Putin’s rhetoric on Friday dashed hopes among many of Ukraine’s European allies that he could be convinced to increase support to Kyiv.

That hope had risen after Trump in recent weeks expressed frustration and impatience with the Russian president’s refusal to actively engage in bilateral peace negotiations with Zelenskyy.

Three other European officials briefed on the White House discussions confirmed that Trump had spent much of the meeting lecturing Zelenskyy, repeating Putin’s arguments about the conflict and urging him to accept the Russian proposal.

“Zelenskyy was very negative” following the meeting, according to one of the officials, adding that European leaders were “not optimistic but pragmatic with planning next steps”.

In a statement on Sunday, Zelenskyy said “decisive steps are needed from the United States, Europe, the G20 and G7 countries” to end the war.

Additional reporting by Claire Jones in Washington
 
If he was pissed he would have said something, not shitpost about No Kings protests.
Yes, but, just because he's saying "your funeral" doesn't mean he's pissed.

He has no reason to be since he knows that he's got the time advantage on his side. All he has to do is wait and the terms will eventually become acceptable.
 
Do, they still work? Nukes have a shelf life. With out the US, the UK and France will need a new sugar daddy, that only leave three possibilities, the poos, china or Russia.
The UK and France build and design their own warheads. The TRIDENT-II missiles the UK uses are American though, but are under Royal Navy control.
 
They added that the US president tossed aside maps of the frontline in Ukraine, insisted Zelenskyy surrender the entire Donbas region to Putin, and repeatedly echoed talking points the Russian leader had made in their call a day earlier.

Though Ukraine ultimately managed to swing Trump back to endorsing a freeze of the current front lines, the acrimonious meeting appeared to reflect the capricious nature of Trump’s position on the war and his willingness to endorse Putin’s maximalist demands.
How are these maximilist demands? The Donbass is ultimately a relatively small portion of Ukraine and simply reflects the overall extent of territory to which the Russian Speaking/identifying portion of Ukraine belonged pre-war. If the whole point of the Maidan revolution was to transition to a Ukrainian nationalist society, wouldn't it be actually more convenient to just jettison the relative sliver of Ukraine that's overwhelmingly culturally Russian?
 
Putin’s a cunt but Zelenskyyyy is an evil dictator and a much worse war monger. He should just fucking give up.

He has banned elections and portrayed everyone who even mildly disagrees with him as pro-Russian, completely polarising the public and leaving them no choice but to support him in his quest to deny the Donbas the right to self determination or destroy the whole world trying.

Putin and Zelenskyyyy are both Joo’s hellbent on culling white Slavs.
 
Ukraine as a country is crippled,
It is a fucking tragedy. And for what? For which capital that some faggots in the east of the country will pay their taxes to?
A population that was already so despised that they had been shelling them for almost a decade before the war started.

And now a million people are dead and the country is wrecked for generations.
All the young and able left for western countries years ago and will never return.
They are all settled with new families and friends and have no desire to go back to a burnt out hellscape.
What remains are the elderly or the crippled or the ones that are too feeble to just pick up and leave.
You can not build back a country like that, when you don't have any useful population to build on.
The country is fucked and for what? Was it really worth it?

That said, a lot of people got incredibly rich by the billions and billions of aid that went missing and disappeared. For those people I guess it was definitely worth it.
 
The UK and France build and design their own warheads. The TRIDENT-II missiles the UK uses are American though, but are under Royal Navy control.
When was the last time they were rebuilt? They only good for 10 or 20 years.
"Reinventing Fogbank" for nuclear bombs refers to the US government's effort to recreate the material needed for refurbishing the W76 warhead, as the original production facility was closed and its manufacturing process was poorly documented. The process was complex and involved reverse engineering to identify a crucial impurity that was lost in modern cleaning processes. Ultimately, the National Nuclear Security Administration (NNSA) built a new production facility to produce it.

 
When was the last time they were rebuilt? They only good for 10 or 20 years.


https://youtube.com/watch?v=Y6tqlf31YTc
They get refurbished on a rotational basis when a sub comes off patrol. The warheads get driven in a convoy up and down from just outside Reading where the Atomic Weapons Establishment is, to Coulport in Scotland where they are loaded into the Vanguard class submarines like once a month They're not exactly subtle about it.

 
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"Fine, I'll wear a fucking suit this time!"
Diverts limo to nearest Goodwill
 
Putin’s a cunt but Zelenskyyyy is an evil dictator and a much worse war monger. He should just fucking give up.

He has banned elections and portrayed everyone who even mildly disagrees with him as pro-Russian, completely polarising the public and leaving them no choice but to support him in his quest to deny the Donbas the right to self determination or destroy the whole world trying.

Putin and Zelenskyyyy are both Joo’s hellbent on culling white Slavs.
Everything that Starmer wishes to be.
 
If only his plane were to crash into the ocean then I'd never have to hear about Zelensky ever again.
Zelensky is just a puppet with no political power. Until a few years ago he was just a failed comedian on tv.
He has absolutely zero power over the oligarches and political dynasties that have operated that country for decades or more.

If he is removed he will just be replaced by another expendable puppet that is still controlled by the same masters.

I mean, we have oligarches and political dynasties that have been extremely powerful for forever. And some tv comedian without any connections or influence is suddenly going to waltz in from nowhere and start telling them what to do? In the worlds most corrupt country? No, I don't think so.
 
Zelensky is just a puppet with no political power. Until a few years ago he was just a failed comedian on tv.
He has absolutely zero power over the oligarches and political dynasties that have operated that country for decades or more.

If he is removed he will just be replaced by another expendable puppet that is still controlled by the same masters.

Yeah but specifically his face and name annoy me.

They should bring back that puppet president who owned a chocolate factory. Poroshenko or something. But without that bald, pedo-looking dude as prime minister.
 
Remember when this war kicked off that people in the pro-ukraine thread said Russia was doomed because they were only armed with shovels? Fell for it again award.

Trump said he would end this war day one. Now he's saying surrender or russia win. Fell for it again award.

I wonder what it's like being a mindless, brain-dead fuckwit and ignoring all evidence in front of you? Will the posters who are now looking fucking stupid for their seething over how wrong the 'putin shills' were, now apologise for being fuckwits?

The polarisation of topics is great for those of us who remember how to laugh in the face of retards.
 
If only his plane were to crash into the ocean then I'd never have to hear about Zelensky ever again.

Certain Dark Web sites could make that happen... if you have the cash or can steal from old crypto wallets... allegedly.

@Duane Dibbley There's tonnes of YT accounts whose modus operandi is to state that Putin is losing and will be gone within days, weeks, months...

Now I know I am optimistic about a regime change here, but I do at least try to back my POV up with reasons and not copium. These accounts flat out lie and say that Putin will be dead by the end of 2025.

Call them out and you're a pro-Russian Hitler-bot.

Didn't Hitler oppose Russia... hmm... or is all History fake and false unless it's 'acceptable'...?
 
Certain Dark Web sites could make that happen... if you have the cash or can steal from old crypto wallets... allegedly.

@Duane Dibbley There's tonnes of YT accounts whose modus operandi is to state that Putin is losing and will be gone within days, weeks, months...

Now I know I am optimistic about a regime change here, but I do at least try to back my POV up with reasons and not copium. These accounts flat out lie and say that Putin will be dead by the end of 2025.

Call them out and you're a pro-Russian Hitler-bot.

Didn't Hitler oppose Russia... hmm... or is all History fake and false unless it's 'acceptable'...?
For once, those fucking whiny faggots who think they know more than the rest, who look down their noses and call others stupid for pointing out the obvious, to admit that they were wrong are dumb cunts.
They won't, but at least their seething and mental gymnastics will be fun. But hey, I'm sure they'll be right about the next thing.

I like your posts MiW. You always bring receipts.
 
Trump said he would end this war day one. Now he's saying surrender or russia win. Fell for it again award
How exactly is this a "fell for it again"? When most Trump supporters didn't give a fuck about Ukraine to start with? I don't care how the war ends, I just want to stop funding it. If the ukies can't end it on their own terms then that's a skill issue
 
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