Charlie Kirk: Aftermath, Gravedancing, and Manhunt

Hitler: Describes self as "Conservative Revolutionary"
American Conservatives a century later: Fascism is lefty politics because... just... look at the party name!
This is why we should respect North Korea. It's a REPUBLIC.

It's literally in their NAME.

So is Communist China. They're not just a REPUBLIC, they're a PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC.

Their names justify their existence! They call themselves the anti-bad-guy squad, so that's what they are. Their names justify whatever they do.
 
Hitler: Describes self as "Conservative Revolutionary"
American Conservatives a century later: Fascism is lefty politics because... just... look at the party name!
1. I am not finding that quote anywhere.
2. In the 20s Democrats looked like this.
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Clearly definitions evolve, even if that quote was said by him.
3. Some of the staples of Hitler's Germany include Eugenics (extremely leftwing), national control of industry (extremely leftwing).

Third Position politics has ultranationalism in it of course, but even by it's name its clear to be distinct from the left or right paradigm, like libertarianism. Saying National Socialism was fully right or left is a mistake.
 
This is why we should respect North Korea. It's a REPUBLIC.

It's literally in their NAME.

So is Communist China. They're not just a REPUBLIC, they're a PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC.

Their names justify their existence! They call themselves the anti-bad-guy squad, so that's what they are. Their names justify whatever they do.
Actions speak louder than words. Misnomers certainly exist in politics, thinking of the rightist "Liberal Democratic Party" in Japan in that vein.

@Nihil Jung - That bit of Hitler self-describing himself comes from the Armin Mohler political science book I mentioned above. "Socially far right, economically center to center-left" isn't very compelling evidence towards an individual person or a political movement being "far left". Small independent businesses were allowed to stay open in the Third Reich, I haven't heard of things like Hitler trying to abolish private property (not that I'm saying that didn't happen or wasn't considered at some point). Eugenics strikes me as more of a right wing thing, given the American left, for example, has a lot of disabled people among them, and a lot of people on the far right try to use things like severe heart diseases or schizophrenia to promote eugenics to some degree.
 
The last thing this country needs are sandnigger children and pajeets trying to explain to us Constitutional edits that they themselves do not understand.
Zaid Tabani is a fucking moron. A useful idiot by the Philip DeFranco scam. Honestly I think it's about time both Philip DeFranco and Zaid Tabani should get their own threads more so on Philip since his infamous BetterHelp scam sponsor
 
Actions speak louder than words. Misnomers certainly exist in politics, thinking of the rightist "Liberal Democratic Party" in Japan in that vein.

@Nihil Jung - That bit of Hitler self-describing himself comes from the Armin Mohler political science book I mentioned above. "Socially far right, economically center to center-left" isn't very compelling evidence towards an individual person or a political movement being "far left". Small independent businesses were allowed to stay open in the Third Reich, I haven't heard of things like Hitler trying to abolish private property (not that I'm saying that didn't happen or wasn't considered at some point). Eugenics strikes me as more of a right wing thing, given the American left, for example, has a lot of disabled people among them, and a lot of people on the far right try to use things like severe heart diseases or schizophrenia to promote eugenics to some degree.
You put words in the man's mouth and then use the fake quote to create a strawman? What the fuck?

Regarding German Conservative Revolution 1918-1930s: "The Conservative Revolution held an ambiguous relationship with Nazism from the 1920s to the early 1930s, which has led scholars to describe it as a form of "German pre-fascism"[3] or "non-Nazi fascism".[4] Although they share common roots in 19th-century anti-Enlightenment ideologies, the disparate movement cannot be easily confused with Nazism.[5] ....Conservative Revolutionary writings did not have a decisive influence on Nazism,[9] and the movement was brought to heel like the rest of the society when Adolf Hitler seized power in 1933, culminating in the assassination of prominent thinker Edgar Jung by the Nazis during the Night of the Long Knives in the following year. (From wikipedia)

Eugenics in its conception and execution was absolutely a leftwing thing. Link

You're not informed enough to discuss this stuff, kid.
 
Saying National Socialism was fully right or left is a mistake.
Maybe the mistake is in trying to impose a rigid left/right dialectic on all politics, especially if it's purely economic in definition and doesn't consider other distinctions such as nationalism/globalism, social conservatism/social progressivism etc.

Even according to the left/right definition of American politics from 20 years ago, things are completely different today. The current left dresses up in communism and pays lip service to economic theory, but is somehow simultaneously in support of neo-liberal globalism and major corporate power. They've become much more ideologically focused on progressive social issues aligned with intersectionality and critical race theory, and even their foreign policy analysis conveniently aligns with the US security state (except in the case of Israel).

Regardless, since the NSDAP has been characterized as the ultimate ontological evil, it's only natural that each side would pick and choose parts of its program to associate with the other. You've got both socially conservative policies and socialist policies to pick from.

It is kind of funny though how it's verboten to have a strong nation state that exists for the benefit of its own people first, has strong social programs, disallows parasitism for the purpose of pure profit, and is still focused on strong family life and traditional values.
 
Since we're on an autistic tangent, fascism doesn't fit on the left/right axis at all. A "conservative" in any polity wishes to preserve tradition and social norms. The Nazis were a revolutionary movement, and wanted to tear up tradition, discard it, and rebuild Germany as radically as Mao wanted to rebuild China.

Leftists can't comprehend fascism because they think that tearing down the ancien regime deterministically leads to equality, gay marriage, and electric cars. Conservatives can't, either, because to them, "big government" means "the left." It's even more confusing to American conservatives, since American conservatives are liberals, and can't really comprehend something that is both illiberal and not left-wing.
 
You put words in the man's mouth and then use the fake quote to create a strawman? What the fuck?
Here's the book itself below; I'd read a copy and see for yourself:

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Never said it was fully left or fully right.
You're not informed enough to discuss this stuff, kid.
This bit is amusing to me to some degree, considering the type of stuff I actually read books about/study. I'll just leave it at this: you could read Toland's Hitler biography for example (or Mein Kampf or writings of other members of the Reich's government / Mussolini's writings as well) or any of Stanley Payne's body of work as I have. We've all got tools to get this information, you don't have to listen to people on Kiwi Farms or 4chan or Youtube and take their word for it.
 
When I was in Nepal 20 years ago the entire country outside of Kathmandu was under the control of Maoist rebels. None of this is anything that wasn't happening 2 weeks ago when Kirk was still alive.

How Is China Expanding its Infrastructure to Project Power Along its Western Borders?

China’s Gray-Zone Infrastructure Strategy on the Tibetan Plateau: Roads, Dams, and Digital Domination

Nepal's Trans-Himalayan Dream: A Journey Through High Costs and Higher Stakes

Not this has anything to do with righteous troon fury over narrative deviance. Thought criminals are literally Hitler.

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Don't mind me. Glowies gotta glow.
 
Since we're on an autistic tangent, fascism doesn't fit on the left/right axis at all. A "conservative" in any polity wishes to preserve tradition and social norms. The Nazis were a revolutionary movement, and wanted to tear up tradition, discard it, and rebuild Germany as radically as Mao wanted to rebuild China.

Leftists can't comprehend fascism because they think that tearing down the ancien regime deterministically leads to equality, gay marriage, and electric cars. Conservatives can't, either, because to them, "big government" means "the left." It's even more confusing to American conservatives, since American conservatives are liberals, and can't really comprehend something that is both illiberal and not left-wing.
Sure but @Candlelight Desolation is just gonna come back with another made up Hilter quote and prove you wrong.

Here's the book itself below; I'd read a copy and see for yourself:

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Never said it was fully left or fully right.

This bit is amusing to me to some degree, considering the type of stuff I actually read books about/study. I'll just leave it at this: you could read Toland's Hitler biography for example (or Mein Kampf or writings of other members of the Reich's government / Mussolini's writings as well) or any of Stanley Payne's body of work as I have. We've all got tools to get this information, you don't have to listen to people on Kiwi Farms or 4chan or Youtube and take their word for it.
You attributed the quote to Hitler describing himself. You've produced the material I was directly responding too, my refutiation of which wholly separates the German Conservative Revolution from Nazism, saying their relationship was ambiguous and it described that Nazism wasnt informed by Conservative Revolution's writing. Read more.
 
And Trump visibly sweating over the Epstein list.
They were willing to kill Trump to keep him out of the White House, if he was on the Epstein list then Biden's staff would've leaked it years ago and Trump himself wouldn't have promised to release it. I honestly don't think Trump is on it but it's still a horrible look and a broken promise so he deserves to be raked over the coals for it.
 
They were willing to kill Trump to keep him out of the White House, if he was on the Epstein list then Biden's staff would've leaked it years ago and Trump himself wouldn't have promised to release it. I honestly don't think Trump is on it but it's still a horrible look and a broken promise so he deserves to be raked over the coals for it.

If Biden leaked or released it, the result would have been a case of political M.A.D
 
They were willing to kill Trump to keep him out of the White House, if he was on the Epstein list then Biden's staff would've leaked it years ago and Trump himself wouldn't have promised to release it. I honestly don't think Trump is on it but it's still a horrible look and a broken promise so he deserves to be raked over the coals for it.
They're all on it, or too many people from too many important positions are on it for anyone to release it. Or at least, hypothetically, if Epstein was an intelligence asset producing kompromat for the purpose of control and influence, that's how he would have wanted it.
 
We are not your personal army.
So two women from Arkansas went and destroyed a memorial meant for Kirk. After the video was put online they got arrested, the older one lost her job, and she got kicked out of her home. However, they are now lying and making themselves look like the victims. They made a Gofundme saying their free speech was violated leaving out they committed a crime. They have already made over $4000. Here's a link to the gofundme. Report them!

 
So two women from Arkansas went and destroyed a memorial meant for Kirk. After the video was put online they got arrested, the older one lost her job, and she got kicked out of her home. However, they are now lying and making themselves look like the victims. They made a Gofundme saying their free speech was violated leaving out they committed a crime. They have already made over $4000. Here's a link to the gofundme. Report them!

Is there a news story to reference? I am filing a complaint. Trash bitches
 
While MAGA is right to go after the Left with a vengeance, I find the litmus test is whether they are willing to admit Trump's economic policies have done the opposite of what they're supposed to do. His foreign policy isn't that much different than the Biden's. Trump just looks better by being compared to the Left, whom are skinwalkers pretending to be human.
Yeah. As far as economics to, I really haven't been happy with Trump's decisions. The tariff shit won't fix the issues. Just like the government raising taxes won't. Or trying to regulate a market into some kind of correction ( maybe the one exception would be actually enforcing the laws on monopolies, instead of letting them get away with it even if they are found to be a monopoly like Google).

Under his term, we keep having worrying bills pass, or get written up. That I wouldn't like no matter who was in office also.

The only good things were pardoning some people, cutting down a lot of usaid (I have heard some things are coming back though), actually taking the border seriously, which wouldn't have been such a huge deal if it wasn't neglected for the last 20 years or something. And maybe, slightly helping with debanking, and some online censorship. But I have a feeling that might be undone in the future.

Really, as messed up as it is though. This assassination couldn't have happened at a better time for Trump. It took a lot of people's mind of the Epstein thing. And how bad his cabinet has been floundering on that.
 
Sure but @Candlelight Desolation is just gonna come back with another made up Hilter quote and prove you wrong.


You attributed the quote to Hitler describing himself. You've produced the material I was directly responding too, my refutiation of which wholly separates the German Conservative Revolution from Nazism, saying their relationship was ambiguous and it described that Nazism wasnt informed by Conservative Revolution's writing. Read more.
In between doing night routines, I grabbed my copy of the book and found the quote - it is on page 223 on the bottom, rest of the paragraph bleeds over to the next page:
Hitler never used the term "Conservative Revolution," although he did speak of the NSDAP being a "conservative revolutionary party" and that he himself should be considered the "most conservative revolutionary in the world." These offhand remarks, however, deceive us concerning the essential differences between the Conservative Revolution and National Socialism, which were constantly emphasized both by Hitler and his disciples. For them, the Conservative Revolution was only part of the "reaction" that "with the slogan 'Conservative Revolution' was propagating the restoration of conditions from 500 years ago."
So there you go. More or less looking at rightist politics in Europe through a European lens rather than American right wing, regardless if Hitler by and large didn't view his movement as part of the Conservative Revolution even if he borrowed bits from it. I do apologize for having such an irritated reaction at first leading to escalating the wrangling about this to this point (and around midnight, to add insult to injury), though I figured that since I own a print copy I should quote the book itself since I've got access to that information that way also to show I'm not pulling this out of thin air.
 
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