Law 4chan and Kiwi Farms Sue the UK Over its Age Verification Law - The notorious troll sites filed a lawsuit in U.S. federal court as part of a fight over the UK's Online Safety Act.

https://www.404media.co/4chan-and-kiwi-farms-sue-the-uk-over-its-age-verification-law/
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/26076733-govuscourtsdcd28421810-1/

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4chan and Kiwi Farms sued the United Kingdom’s Office of Communications (Ofcom) over its age verification law in U.S. federal court Wednesday, fulfilling a promise it announced on August 23. In the lawsuit, 4chan and Kiwi Farms claim that threats and fines they have received from Ofcom “constitute foreign judgments that would restrict speech under U.S. law.”

Both entities say in the lawsuit that they are wholly based in the U.S. and that they do not have any operations in the United Kingdom and are therefore not subject to local laws. Ofcom’s attempts to fine and block 4chan and Kiwi Farms, and the lawsuit against Ofcom, highlight the messiness involved with trying to restrict access to specific websites or to force companies to comply with age verification laws.

The lawsuit calls Ofcom an “industry-funded global censorship bureau.”

“Ofcom’s ambitions are to regulate Internet communications for the entire world, regardless of where these websites are based or whether they have any connection to the UK,” the lawsuit states. “On its website, Ofcom states that ‘over 100,000 online services are likely to be in scope of the Online Safety Act—from the largest social media platforms to the smallest community forum.’”

Both 4chan and Kiwi Farms are notorious online communities that are infamous for their largely anything-goes attitude. Users of both forums have been tied to various doxing and harassment campaigns over the years. Still, they have now become the entities fighting the hardest against the UK’s disastrous Online Safety Act, which requires websites and social media platforms to perform invasive age verification checks on their users, which often requires people to upload an ID or otherwise give away their personal information in order to access large portions of the internet. Sites that do not comply are subject to huge fines, regardless of where they are based. The law has resulted in an internet where users need to provide scans of their faces in order to access, for example, certain music videos on Spotify.

The Electronic Frontier Foundation has said the Online Safety Act “is a threat to the privacy of users, restricts free expression by arbitrating speech online, exposes users to algorithmic discrimination through face checks, and leaves millions of people without a personal device or form of ID excluded from accessing the internet.”

Ofcom began investigating 4chan over alleged violations of the Online Safety Act in June. On August 13, it announced a provisional decision and stated that 4chan had “contravened its duties” and then began to charge the site a penalty of £20,000 (roughly $26,000) a day. Kiwi Farms has also been threatened with fines, the lawsuit states.

"American citizens do not surrender our constitutional rights just because Ofcom sends us an e-mail. In the face of these foreign demands, our clients have bravely chosen to assert their constitutional rights," Preston Byrne, one of the lawyers representing 4chan and Kiwi Farms, told 404 Media.

"We are aware of the lawsuit," an Ofcom spokesperson told 404 Media. "Under the Online Safety Act, any service that has links with the UK now has duties to protect UK users, no matter where in the world it is based. The Act does not, however, require them to protect users based anywhere else in the world.”

Update: This story has been updated with a comment from Ofcom.
 
I'm sure this has been discussed before, but does it frustrate anyone else how outlets always cite Kiwi Farms as a "harassment" forum? Like could they not be arsed to even read main pages of the website they're covering?

I don't even know why I'm surprised the media has always been terrible at covering internet-related articles but the demonizing always pisses me off.
 
What I would say is that a state like the united kingdom, those suffering under the tyranny of their crown from george III to the most recent chuck they have, are neither a republic nor a successful nation. They are a country that, in their whole lot, measure up merely to the great state of mississippi, which is 49th in all matters, and in the delta, is not much different than our child liberia.
They are worse then Liberia. For Liberia was misbegotten from the outset. They took our knowledge without truly understanding it and then tried to implement it without knowing how.

Our former sovreign is somehow even more contemptible then our misbegotten African spawn. For the knowledge of governance and law we tried to impact to Liberia came not from us, it came from Great Britain, and its traditions of governance, law and rights.

Liberia being an object of pity is sad. But for the progenitor state of our own laws and traditions to become so abject in the poverty of their moral character as Liberia is beyond contempt. It enters the realm of willfull villainy.

I refuse to believe the English, Scottish, Cornish and Welsh peoples consented to this fundamental betrayal of their rights. I refuse to believe that the perfiduous actions of the Parliament of the UK and their criminal agents are done in their name. They are being done in spite of their name.

And where is the King? The abuses of his own people and the outrages his government is heaping upon us Americans are done in his name. It seems Charles III is just as useless as George III. He let's his government act in this malicious manner.

But not enough that they abuse the rights of the British. They have the audacity to come here, to America, and attempt to fight with BEAUROCRACY a war they lost with Armies.

May the audacity of this crime curse them. For we now see the rulers of our ancestral progenitor for what they are. Vile worms claiming an authority that is not theirs and an inheritance they have no right to claim.

America sees the government of the UK for what it is. And it is beneath contempt.
 
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Notorious troll sites...

Better than being gerber accepted garbage propaganda sites like MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, and the rest...
 
I'm sure this has been discussed before, but does it frustrate anyone else how outlets always cite Kiwi Farms as a "harassment" forum? Like could they not be arsed to even read main pages of the website they're covering?
They know it's a lie. They do it maliciously.
 
Im a couple pages in, this is the greatest legal document I have ever been witness to. It has it all, europeans are retarded, gay, clout-stealing haters, the british lost and are also a bunch of faggots that need to simmer the fuck down, 1a, 2a, eat fuckin shit and die hahaha. I recognize Joshs sneed a mile away he would have made a great lawyer. Niggers can officially tongue my anus.
 
I'm sure this has been discussed before, but does it frustrate anyone else how outlets always cite Kiwi Farms as a "harassment" forum? Like could they not be arsed to even read main pages of the website they're covering?

I don't even know why I'm surprised the media has always been terrible at covering internet-related articles but the demonizing always pisses me off.
You know who writes their paychecks.

You will never hate modern journalists enough.
 
I'm sure this has been discussed before, but does it frustrate anyone else how outlets always cite Kiwi Farms as a "harassment" forum? Like could they not be arsed to even read main pages of the website they're covering?

I don't even know why I'm surprised the media has always been terrible at covering internet-related articles but the demonizing always pisses me off.
Could you imagine how much money Null could make if he added a harassment/doxxing for hire sub forum and took a 20% cut.
 
I wonder if this is exactly what the UK government wants. Let’s say Kiwi Farms and 4chan win against the UK, which they probably will - the government can spin it as a warning that these “evil websites” are trying to get to the children and radicalise people into TERFs and racists, then drum up enough support to impose the Great Firewall. Once these sites are blocked from the UK, VPNs will be next in line for targeted removal and a domino effect is in place. It would not surprise me in the least if this is their overall plan, the UK bans everything it doesn’t like, but knows it can’t move too fast.

Of course, Roblox, Snapchat, Discord etc will be unaffected, because it isn’t about the children but about people’s ability to organise politically.
 
genuine questions, why do anglos believe their gay little laws matter outside the bounds of their gay little island, and what will it take for them to finally realize nobody cares what they think?

The Br*tbongs are perpetually cucked. They know this, and they lash out at websites, institutions, and people that they perceive as weaker. Ever listen to Pink Floyd's "The Happiest Days Of Our Lives"? Where the tyrannical school teacher abuses and lashes out at kids only for it to be revealed that he's taking out his frustration due to an overbearing wife at home? That's how I view the entire br*tish government structure.



That's what I'm thinking. What's exactly just stopping them from blocking these websites in UK ISPs? Actually I have a question for the bong farmers since I've been pretty ignorant in reading about what's going on with the Online Safety Act: Are there websites (and I don't mean porn shit, I mean forums like this) that are blocked from opening in the UK? If so, what the fuck is stopping them from just...doing it again?

It's either the UK government unwilling, or unable, to cross that Rubicon just yet. They absolutely 100% want to wall off their prisoners citizens from the outside world, and only feed them the news and information that they desire, just like North Korea. Its no secret that they're on the fast track to totalitarianism, and they're trying to offload as much of the work to do that onto others as they possibly can before they themselves clamp down.
 
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I hope they keep going. Do I agree with them politically? Nope. But, what's interesting is they're able to continue on despite intense pressure on the part of big infrastructure providers and financial institutions. In other words, they've been able to keep going despite the centralized internet providers and basically everything else actively working against them, and the media repeatedly claiming that they've been taken offline for good only for them to be back up within hours if not minutes. They even came up with their own anti-ddos mechanism that appears to hold up against large scale attacks using relatively little infrastructure, basically by use of a decentralized server cluster along with a crypto interstitial going under the moniker "ddos retarding services".

It's nuts how not too long ago, progressives complained about centralized internet services, lack of net neutrality, the copyright cartel and the centralized financial system, but all of a sudden they love all of that once they realized they can use all of that to shit on the civil rights of people they don't like, because pesky things like the bill of rights gets in the way of them having the government do it.
Cloudflare has no intention of complying either, also KF was booted off cloudflare a few years back for terrorism.
KF is worse than that. They actively promote domestic terrorism.

Sites like KF (LC is another one) only exist because their hosting is in fact, NOT in the US. They're usually hosted somewhere that has no US law reach because they know while they might slide under the 1A, what they post is incitement to violence and defamation which is not protected speech. The sites continue to exist the same reason why your typical piracy torrent site still exists. It's far more likely that law enforcement is actually on these sites and tracking these shitheel posters so that they can prevent assassinations of people the site hates on if they see a clear intent.

Remember, these sites, YOU, the person reading the site, are the joke. Nobody with a real job they value posts to these sites. It's all full time home security guards (euphemism for people who never leave their home)
They specialize in two things. Doxing gay and trans people and trying to encourage them to commit suicide. So it's absolutely not going to fly having a kiwi farms user hand out their actual identity.

This is one of those cases where the worst sort of person is doing something that needs to be done. But for kiwi farms I have genuine mixed emotions because they are hiding behind anonymity to commit actual crimes.

I suppose it's possible they cleaned up their act a little bit because they were taken offline when even the cdns who run the white supremacists wouldn't touch them because of the legal liability. But either way that's the whole point of going to kiwi farms so I'm not sure what else they would do.

4chan has problems but there is at least a community there that aren't just cruel psychopaths. Honestly if the owner wasn't such an ass wipe I think the form would be pretty nice.
If 4chan/Kiwifarms were to win, it would put many US based CDNs with existing contractual agreements into a catch-22. They would no longer be able to use the excuse of a need to comply with UK laws in relation to US websites, as a US court will have set a precedent that there is no legal need to comply with it, and thus no excuses to censor US websites, ran on US CDN servers, operated by a US CDN, on behalf of the whims of the UK government, or any other hypothetical future UK government.

This then puts sheepish third-party companies in the awkward position of having to justify complying with Ofcom requirements to the detriment of their own user base but not that of say Roscomnadzor or any other stupid government-related censorship organisation, and any justifications they did make, they would have to put explicitly in their terms and conditions for anyone to read, as it would form part of a material contractual agreement.

I hope 4chan/Kiwifarms set the precedent they need and I hope our Labour government here in the UK learns a very big lesson about who the Internet really belongs to, namely, us, the users.
>The point here is to start a propaganda fight in the hope that the UK doesn't just put a great firewall up and block the sites.

Or more precisely, to wage a propaganda battle *before* the UK puts up the firewall to block them (which they pretty much *have* to do now because of the online safety act). By getting media attention, it lets 4chan say "not our fault, look, we really tried to make this work" when the UK does eventually block them, and potentially gets them US government muscle too.

The stupid thing here is the UK government really put itself into a corner with this - they knew it was going to happen because they were told it would. They did it anyway, and now this is the result. Ofcom *had* to sue 4chan, 4chan was never going to pay up, so the only option left for Ofcom is to block them (which again, they have to do). Now it's all over the media, the orange idiot gets involved, then the UK PM gets in trouble, and then... we'll we'll see, but there's going to be egg on someone's face over this.

Personally, I'd like to see the whole online safety act repealed and completely thought through again. There are better ways to protect kids, and the other nefarious reasons for it frankly need to go the way of the dodo. Sadly I suspect that won't happen though.
If that's what they expect to win, then they'll lose. To win, they'd require a US judge to declare that that the UK's laws on confirming ages is "that the foreign judgment is repugnant to the Constitution or laws of the United States. For the purposes of this paragraph, a judgment is repugnant to the Constitution or laws of the United States".

In case you've been under a rock the last year or two, US states - well, red ones for the most part, have been falling over themselves to create age verification laws, some even going so far as to apply it to social media, not just adult content. And SCOTUS recently upheld those laws in Free Speech Coalition v. Paxton.

No judge is going to rule that Britain's age verification laws are in any way "repugnant to the Constitution or laws of the United States". They're illogical and stupid, but SCOTUS has explicitly said laws like Britain's are fine.
 
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4chan and Kiwi Farms is a hell of a team.
But really, who the hell do these brits think they're fooling? Muh kids, muh online safety.
Outside of the extremely corrupt (huge understatement but cba to go any further) political class, regardless of party, nobody in the UK asked for this (probably sounds all too familiar wherever you're from). I really hope you and 4chan win this case hands down, and possibly (though very unlikely) even force the government to reverse these laws in the UK as well. Nobody deserves this at all and it's not about protecting the kids.
 
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He is trampling out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored

He hath loosed the fateful lightning of His terrible swift sword

His truth is marching on
 
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