💬 Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

Anyone have any tips on how to build/maintain communities to keep some of these crazies, basically every mainstream nerd hobby channel has been tainted at this point.
My approach would be to not acknowledge it at all. Whenever someone announces without solicitation that they're trans/gay/some other minority group that's (been) oppressed, they do it for the validation and the asspats. If someone tries to continuously start disruptive scenarios, greyrock. If they reach out to mod/admin/staff the response should be that what takes precedence is the game itself rather than any identity that not all players possess.
 
Ostatnio edytowane:
Anyone have any tips on how to build/maintain communities to keep some of these crazies, basically every mainstream nerd hobby channel has been tainted at this point.
Self host. Take the responsibility of running your own community and make it very clear that trannies aren't welcome. Or that they have to accept being called trannies if they want to do tranny shit. You can't rely on reddit to host your community if you want to gatekeep these leeches.
 
Have any of you broached this topic (gender ideology/queer theory) publicly or to your friends?
Who are you talking to, pro-trans people or anti-trans people? Either way, I feel like the reality of the situation is unproductive either way. The pro-trans folks will get nothing but hollow affirmation from the people willing to respond, and the anti-trans folks will offer said hollow affirmation and rapidly disengage with the topic, because if they don't, they'll be turned into a social pariah.

Bringing up trans conversation in public is, in de facto terms, a purity test. The only reason it happens in the majority of cases is when trans advocates want to sniff out dissent and flush it out. Once you notice it, you start seeing it everywhere, an aggressive insistence with no apropos, saying nothing of substance but basically daring anyone nearby to disagree and put a target on their own back.
 
Bringing up trans conversation in public is, in de facto terms, a purity test. The only reason it happens in the majority of cases is when trans advocates want to sniff out dissent and flush it out. Once you notice it, you start seeing it everywhere, an aggressive insistence with no apropos, saying nothing of substance but basically daring anyone nearby to disagree and put a target on their own back.
Referencing this kind of shit is what I mean; alerting those in your circle to the bigger picture of this ideology, regardless of which way the audience leans. We have to rip the Band-Aid off at some point, though I agree that different strategies are optimal for different temperatures.

Raising awareness to the reality that this isn't a few confused kids or men to show sympathy for. Rather, it's a systematic, top-down effort to subvert reality, establish control, and re-write society. Even if you don't mention the bigger picture shit to avoid coming off conspiratorial, something like, "Is anybody else alarmed that our unequivocal sex binary has become a 'right-wing talking point' or 'bigoted dog whistle' that can't be referenced?" Or even, "Why are male rapists allowed in women's prisons?"

It doesn't have to be IRL, either; online works. I just see that all of us understand the concerted effort to silence and censor reality, including the delight these lunatics take in punishing those who speak it. And while I'm permanently grateful to null for establishing this refuge for us, it seems like we should actively play our own roles IRL to restore/maintain our right to speak truthfully. If we accept this as the new normal, we're essentially acquiescing and hoping the monsters pushing this will ease up on their own. They won't, obviously. And there aren't enough nulls to dedicate their life for our right to be "offensive."

Shouldn't we try to establish relationships with our peers about this in order to combat it? If American citizens are too afraid to openly state, "Men are not women. Keep them out of women's spaces", how the fuck can I get them to burn a Quran or embrace being "Islamophobic?" Nobody in my circle seems to understand "trans" and "gender identity" are make-believe terms with no scientific backing. It's never crossed their mind that they've adopted activist terms foisted upon us by ideologically captured institutions for nefarious means. It's a serious threat to our entire society, both the immediate what (child sterilization, wrecking women's rights, etc.), and the bigger why ("queering" society to re-write it and normalize perversions, cultural Marxism, etc.).

I'm not trying to be preachy or anything, of course. It just seems we're placated with this little patch of the internet to call reality as it is. If we can do more, we probably should try. I guess I'm just thinking that as individuals, openly stating reality while it's still an option is our best bet at keeping this right. And I'm curious if any of y'all have done so?
 
Ostatnio edytowane:
Have any of you broached this topic (gender ideology/queer theory) publicly or to your friends?
Of course. Frequently. It’s easy when your liberal friends are mature and tolerant (or in some cases have already dropped you for being an unrepentant bigot) and all your new friends are GC or conservatives.

Being a devoted Kiwi Farmer helps immensely. I know the theories and the terms, the typical pipelines and procedures. And the rotten truth.
 
Great to hear.

I live in one of the most liberal places on Earth, I think. My friends that still participate in social media constantly share leftist memes that repackage nuanced issues into the, "We're on the right side; they're evil" black-and-white, feelgood narrative. They seem pretty closed off to the idea of thinking deeper about the bigger issues, which I can understand.

I feel like recognizing how insane this is can be achieved on their own, but the fear of raising their heads above the parapet keeps them in check. My hope is that with more people speaking out against this, raising the alarm, others will get more comfortable, too, especially women.

Another tragedy in the "gender ideology" insanity is us normies losing friends or becoming social pariahs for not going along with it. In GC/sane spaces, there's support threads for folks who've lost family members to the gender cult, which I'm grateful for.

I've been curious about a thread detailing our attempts at navigating discourse with friends/family on these issues, i.e., trying to "peak" our peers. Given how impossibly difficult this all is, sharing strategies and words of encouragement might be useful. While sharing screenshots or verbatim recollections may not be possible for some due to OPSEC, I'm curious if folks would be interested (or if this thread exists, please link me)?
 
I've been curious about a thread detailing our attempts at navigating discourse with friends/family on these issues, i.e., trying to "peak" our peers. Given how impossibly difficult this all is, sharing strategies and words of encouragement might be useful. While sharing screenshots or verbatim recollections may not be possible for some due to OPSEC, I'm curious if folks would be interested (or if this thread exists, please link me)?
Still on the front page of this forum: https://kiwifarms.st/threads/when-did-you-hit-peak-trans-and-why.86018/

It's interesting to hear people's personal accounts.
 
To be clear, I know about threads to share our peak trans stories, which I agree are interesting and needed. I actually scraped the replies in some of the Ovarit peaking threads to find the most common themes among their stories. I wanted to optimize my approach toward raising the topic to my female friends who are more sensitive/empathetic toward the group they think is vulnerable.

What I'm suggesting is a thread where we share our attempts at doing that part: reaching out to friends, posting publicly about the issue, or even sharing the vibe that friends are willing to disclose only in private. It'd serve as sort of a temperature check on how the general public feels, as well as how freely our peers feel discussing such a topic. And hopefully we can encourage one another to continue speaking reality while we refine our approaches after seeing what works and what doesn't.
 

Załączniki

If anyone decides to make a 2026 troonpool, Shen Comics has got to be there on it.
1755947137779761.webp 1755943340865503.webp 1755954027966145.webp

Edit: Engrish
 
Ostatnio edytowane:
Incoming truth nuke:


1756028132006.webp


1756028170556.webp


My approach would be to not acknowledge it at all. Whenever someone announces without solicitation that they're trans/gay/some other minority group that's (been) oppressed, they do it for the validation and the asspats. If someone tries to continuously start disruptive scenarios, greyrock. If they reach out to mod/admin/staff the response should be that what takes precedence is the game itself rather than any identity that not all players possess.
I'd argue that this is not sufficient. Exhibit A:

1756029865895.webp

 
Ostatnio edytowane:
I ask questions like "why do you believe this?" and "who told you this?"

Things like "trans women are women" are memetic and astroturfed so much that people sort of take them as a given.

Other stuff would be things like: so it's the nice/kind thing to do, why? Basically just get them to think through the logic (they usually haven't).
Honestly I think this is the best course of action we can take, peaking people who otherwise have no idea how self destructive, violent, and repulsive the tranny movement really is.

I've been peaking other people myself in subtle ways who are in the "live and let live" crowd, and around the types who are supportive I just point out little contradictions about the whole thing while remaining seemingly neutral, hoping it sparks just an ounce of critical thinking.

1. The "Forced Evolution" Test (Exposing the Inorganic Speed)

The Pitch: Genuine social change is slow and comes from the bottom up. A political agenda is fast and imposed from the top down.

The Exhibit: Look at the corporate world. In 2012, almost no major corporation had policies on "gender identity" or "non-binary." Today, it is a mandatory part of HR and DEI training at virtually every Fortune 500 company. Almost overnight, nonsensical terms like "assigned sex at birth" became the de-facto nomenclature. This happened in less than a decade, despite so many of us having no idea what these terms even mean.

The Threshold Question: At what point does a "grassroots movement" that is actually funded, promoted, and imposed by the most powerful corporate and institutional forces in the world stop being treated like an underdog's fight for basic human rights? When is it rightfully considered a coordinated agenda from giants masquerading as an organic uprising of the little guy?

2. The "Language Heist" Test (Exposing the Unnatural Method)

The Pitch: A good-faith movement uses language to clarify. An authoritarian movement uses language to control.

The Exhibit: This is not hypothetical. Go to the official websites of the CDC or the American Cancer Society and look up their guidance on cervical cancer screening or find documents related to menopause You will see the biologically precise word of "woman" has been systematically replaced with "inclusive" phrasing like "people with a cervix" and "those who menstruate."

The Threshold Question: If you can verify that the world's leading scientific bodies are deliberately erasing clear biological language in favor of ideological jargon, what does that say about these institutions? At what point do you stop believing they are unbiased reporters of science and start suspecting they are compromised ideologues promoting their mission at the expense of truth? Do we really want institutions we trust for sound medical advice to be more concerned with not hurting a man's feelings than accurately describing a woman's body?

3. The "Silence on Harm" Test (Exposing Bad Faith)

The Pitch: A good-faith movement is horrified by the harm committed in its name and is the first to condemn its "bad apples."

The Exhibit: Look up the documented cases of male sex offenders like Karen White who identified as a woman to get into women's prisons and then raped female inmates. Then, try to find a single official statement from a major LGBTQ+ organization like the ACLU, HRC, or Stonewall that forcefully condemns these specific men with a plan of action to prevent it from happening again.

The Threshold Question: If you confirm that the movement's leaders consistently ignore the actual harm done to women by their own predators, is that enough to consider this movement as operating in bad-faith? At what point does their calculated silence on their policies that enable women's suffering tell you all you need to know about their priorities? At some point, is it fair to recognize whether the compassion, kindness, and compromise only travels in one direction?

4. The "Appropriation of Victimhood" Test (Exposing the Offensive Charade)

The Pitch: Society correctly understands that women are more physically vulnerable than men, and their presentation can tragically increase their risk of assault. Women have this ingrained in them from a young age.

The Exhibit: Observe the public persona of many prominent trans-identified males who are activists for access to women's spaces. Notice how many adopt hyper-sexualized, "bimbo" caricatures of femininity. Despite their outward appearances being elective and cosmetic, they guilt-trip women over how allegedly vulnerable they'd be if forced to use their correct bathroom.

The Threshold Question: A physically vulnerable person who understood the female experience would be terrified of presenting this way. What kind of person goes out of their way to camouflage themselves to look as much like the group at highest risk of sexual assault as possible?

At what point does this stop looking like a sincere identity and start looking like a hostile and offensive mockery of womanhood, where men appropriate not just a female identity, but their very real vulnerability as a fetishistic costume?

They demand entry into women's bathrooms, citing serious risks to their health if they peed in their own bathroom. When they use this evil emotional blackmail to manipulate, why don't we question why they believe that violent men will only hurt them for peeing in the correct bathroom? If they'd face this existential risk everywhere, not just in a specific bathroom, does their insistence lean closer to being a manipulative demand?

5. The "Authoritarian Demands" Test (Exposing Creeping Control)

The Pitch: A movement for equality has clear, stable goals. An authoritarian movement has constantly expanding demands designed to enforce ideological purity.

The Exhibit: Look up the activist concept of the "Cotton Ceiling." This is a documented part of the discourse that labels lesbians who are not sexually attracted to trans-identified males (i.e., men) as 'transphobic' bigots.

The Threshold Question: If a movement that began with a plea for "tolerance" now insists that lesbians who won't have sex with "transbians" because they're men with dicks, at what point do you have to conclude that its goal isn't "equality" but total social and sexual control? If society has shown tolerance, but gender cultists began enforcing compliance, how likely is it that we'll ever do enough on our end to satisfy these people? Does there come a time when their "basic human rights" should no longer be afforded because their reason for asking is to harm those who were once accommodating?

6. The "International Precedent" Test (Exposing the Harm to Children)

The Pitch: In medicine, we follow the evidence. The United States is a few years behind several progressive European countries in this area.

The Exhibit: Look up the "Cass Review" in the UK. It was a four-year, government review that concluded the evidence for medicalizing children was "remarkably weak." Studies tracking long-term success for "gender-affirming care" consistently show poor results. As a result, England, Sweden, and Finland are all dramatically restricting or shutting down these practices.

The Threshold Question: If you can verify that the entire scientific basis for this practice has been debunked by the countries that pioneered it, yet activists and institutions in our country continue to repeat the discredited claim that it is "life-saving care" with "settled science," at what point do we conclude them as biased ideologues knowingly promoting a dangerous experiment that sterilizes children?

7. The "Compelled Speech" Test (Exposing Coercion)

The Pitch: In a free society, politeness is voluntary, and rudeness is tolerated. In an authoritarian society, speech is compelled.

The Exhibit: Observe the proliferation of "pronoun rituals" in corporate meetings, university classes, and email signatures. It has moved from a voluntary act of kindness to a socially and professionally enforced mandate.

The Threshold Question: At what point does a "polite suggestion" become compelled speech? How many people have to be forced to publicly state beliefs they don't hold before we can agree that this has stopped being about 'kindness' and has become an authoritarian loyalty test?

8. The "Pathologizing of Reality" Test (Exposing the War on Truth)

The Pitch: A healthy society can tolerate basic observations. A cult treats the simple act of stating an observable fact as a moral crime.

The Exhibit: Consider the statement: "Humans are a binary-sexed species." If you state this biological fact in many academic, corporate, or online spaces today, it will be labeled as "hate speech" or an act of "erasure."

The Threshold Question: When a society can be convinced that acknowledging fundamental biological reality is a form of bigotry, at what point do we have to admit that we are no longer operating in a system based on reason, but one based on ideological dogma that makes reality a punishable offense? How alarmed should a society be when the younger generation genuinely doesn't believe we're binary-sexed species?

9. The "Detransitioner Erasure" Test (Exposing the Lack of Compassion)

The Pitch: A genuine, compassionate movement would be most concerned with helping those harmed by its own recommended practices.

The Exhibit: Look up the stories of detransitioners like Keira Bell or Chloe Cole. Then, search for how they are treated by the very LGBTQ+ organizations that pushed for their treatments. You will find they are not treated as victims, but as traitors who are viciously attacked and silenced.

The Threshold Question: If a movement's response to the victims of its own failed medical experiments is not compassion, but vicious suppression and character assassination, at what point do you have to question if their "compassion" was ever genuine, or if it was just a tool to protect an ideology from the evidence of its own failures?

10. The "Legal Inversion" Test (Exposing the Capture of Law)

The Pitch: A just legal system protects the innocent from the guilty and the truthful from the malicious.

The Exhibit: Look up cases like Marion Millar in Scotland, where women have been investigated or charged by the police for "misgendering" a trans-identified male online, sometimes in response to being harassed by that same individual.

The Threshold Question: At what point does a legal system that investigates a woman for stating a biological fact, while ignoring the harassment she faces, stop looking like a system of "justice?" How many instances do we need of the law being used to protect the aggressor and punish the victim before we can agree that our legal institutions have been captured?

11. The "Grooming Threshold" Test (Defining the Line)

The Pitch: Sex education should make children safer, not more vulnerable.

The Exhibit: The glossary used for the "sex ed" curriculum in WA state includes the following terms:
  • Dubcon: Stands for "dubious consent," describing situations where there is a gray area between consent and rape.

  • 8Chan: An imageboard (see 4chan) website that has been linked to the alt-right, white supremacism, racism and antisemitism, neo-Nazism, hate crimes, and mass shootings, as well as being known to host child pornography.

  • Bussy: A portmanteau of "butt" and "pussy" or "boy" and "pussy." First used by men to describe their anus when engaging in receptive anal play. Has also been used specifically by transmen to describe their vaginas and anuses.
The Threshold Question: Does introducing the concept of a "gray area" around rape to a child make them more or less vulnerable to a predator who wants to confuse them about their boundaries? Is there any educational value to talking about what gay men call their anuses during sex?

Why would telling children where they can find Child Sex Abuse Material ever be advisable? At what point does a curriculum stop being about "safety education" and become an obvious user manual for sexual grooming?

12. The Central Philosophical Paradox (The Unsolvable Problem)

The Pitch: A sane and safe society must have a coherent, logical principle for protecting children.

The Exhibit: The "Affirmative Care Model" mandates that if a child claims a "gender identity," their subjective feeling must be affirmed, even to the point of medical intervention.

The Threshold Question: If our society accepts the rule that a child is mature enough to consent to irreversible puberty blockers and sterilization based on an internal feeling, what logical principle is left to deny them the right to consent to anything else, including a relationship with an adult? If we abandon the objective standard of age, what is our new firewall?
Super rough draft of questions to pose friends rather Socractic-like.
 
Ostatnio edytowane:
If anyone decides to make a 2026 troonpool, Shen Comics is got to be there on it.
I was surprised he wasn't a troon already, but won't be surprised if he eventually goes through with it. His artstyle is the typical tranny look and his humor is something that trannies piss themselves laughing about.
If someone tries to continuously start disruptive scenarios, greyrock. If they reach out to mod/admin/staff the response should be that what takes precedence is the game itself rather than any identity that not all players possess.
This is what I originally did in those communities until greyrocking them no longer worked because they weaseled their way into power, and/or the admin trooned out. I either wound up getting banned or I mostly just quietly left at that point knowing it was far past saving. Then these same troons would take being ignored as a threat or bullying so they would cry multiple times about it, or get real passive aggressive because no one wants to see them talking about suicide threats in a game community, or a troon talking about their sex life in the chatroom.

Got called out a few times for ignoring because "Lovely Kin doesn't want to talk to me. Is he mad at me?" "I don't think he likes me", vague passive aggressive shit like that. At some point when I had a lot more energy for fighting, I got sick of it and just would snap at them whenever they got disruptive. Don't regret it even if it meant I got banned or kicked which oftentimes I wouldn't bother returning.

Thread tax: Can you tell if someone is a troon through their humor, and how do you usually tell? For me, it's the random slapstick humor involving girly things that mtf troons really love
 
Super rough draft of questions to pose friends rather Socractic-like.
I would add: Is gender dysphoria a mental illness? It used to be. What changed?

If it isn't a mental illness, then any interventions to change gender are merely cosmetic and should not be covered by insurance or subsidies.

Accelerationist: If it's okay to subsidize interventions to affirm gender, then we also should subsidize breast augmentation for women and testosterone supplementation for men as cis people deserve to have their gender affirmed too!

Edit:
I went back and read some of the points and I don't have any faith that your talking points will go anywhere. The people that believe this shit are NPCs. They don't think. They do what they're told. And if you say the wrong words, you'll activate their programming and they'll turn hostile. I find the best way to get through their programming is ridicule. Seizing the means of programming is the best way, but unlikely. Second to that, mockery is the only way to get them to examine their beliefs.
 
Ostatnio edytowane:
My target audience are largely reasonable, intelligent normies who simply aren't aware of the level of deception going on. I agree that those who already fully believe this shit are dumbbells who didn't use reason to begin with. But I'm aiming for people who just assume there's science behind it and that if surgery helps suicidal people live longer, they're all for it. People that aren't invested in this topic, but going along with it because they've never been told that it's all bullshit.

I assure you, mockery and unbridled ridicule for troons and gender insanity isn't what my outreach lacks, haha. A few weeks ago, I wanted to show my IG followers how crazy AI had gotten. I had it write me a Chrome extension that replaces all instances of "transwomen" to "deranged pervert" and "confused weirdo" and shit. I recorded several videos of me loading web pages and timing the switch to EDM drops, haha.

Google's AI caught on that I was using their code for evil, so I had to trick it.
1756047016707.webp
1756046740915.webp

1756047221687.webp
1756047249496.webp

But I need to actually try and get those that can reconsider to do it and that requires less "hate." I'll often post normal, fact-based shit like this, too:
1756046790467.webp
1756046809532.webp
1756046826296.webp
1756046860136.webp

Trying to demonstrate that it ain't just me who is sick of them:
1756047039219.webp
1756047050438.webp
1756047070693.webp
 
Ostatnio edytowane:
My target audience are largely reasonable, intelligent normies who simply aren't aware of the level of deception going on. I agree that those who already fully believe this shit are dumbbells who didn't use reason to begin with. But I'm aiming for people who just assume there's science behind it and that if surgery helps suicidal people live longer, they're all for it. People that aren't invested in this topic, but going along with it because they've never been told that it's all bullshit.

I assure you, mockery and unbridled ridicule for troons and gender insanity isn't what my outreach lacks, haha. A few weeks ago, I wanted to show my IG followers how crazy AI had gotten. I had it write me a Chrome extension that replaces all instances of "transwomen" to "deranged pervert" and "confused weirdo" and shit. I recorded several videos of me loading web pages and timing the switch to EDM drops, haha.

Google's AI caught on that I was using their code for evil, so I had to trick it.
Wyświetl załącznik 7824257Wyświetl załącznik 7824195
Wyświetl załącznik 7824321Wyświetl załącznik 7824328
But I need to actually try and get those that can reconsider to do it and that requires less "hate." I'll often post normal, fact-based shit like this, too:
Wyświetl załącznik 7824205Wyświetl załącznik 7824211Wyświetl załącznik 7824213Wyświetl załącznik 7824219
Trying to demonstrate that it ain't just me who is sick of them:
Wyświetl załącznik 7824263Wyświetl załącznik 7824269Wyświetl załącznik 7824273
So, for the science, my point is simply that nobody seems to know exactly what it is that is female in a trans person. Sex markers exist literally down to the bone. The “trans brain” is unproven and highly dubious. Trans people over and over again demonstrate personalities typical of their birth sex. So what is it that we’re correcting towards? Their souls?

As for living longer, there is no proof of this. Suicidality is no lower in transitioned troons than in pre-transitioners. Suicide is, in any case, invalid as a symptom - there are many things that cause it, and it is considered bad medical practice to blame it on a single cause. On the other hand, we do know that chopping your body up and monkeying around with your hormones can be very harmful indeed.
 
Did you mean to quote and reply to me? In any case, I agree with all of that. The insistence among suicide advocacy groups to not attribute a suicide to one thing (unless a note was left or something) is something I'll reference regarding their emotional blackmail. "Governor, if you don't pass this bill, you'll have dead *winks at troonboy* trans-kids blood on your hands!"
 
Wstecz
Top Na dole