Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

The think plightsperging is an adequate substitute for everything in life. They want the whole championship handed to them for a trophy for the same effort of earning a praticipation trophy.

And they're enabled in this in that MOST interactions that "don't matter" (retail, etc) if the person understands what you want even if you're asking for it in an outright insane matter, and they can give it to you with no major cost to themselves, will do so.

For the majority of Greee's life, the person he's conversing with is not contemplating the plights being spewed forth, but thinking "how can I get rid of this retard?"

And the courts even do it, somewhat, for pro se retards; and this is the first time he's gotten past the hand-rails part.

Interestingly the only Court in the USA that continues to do it all the way through the case is the Supremes, they will contemplate arguments that the lawyers could or should have made, but didn't (e.g., the ACA is a tax argument iirc).

As far as I know, except maybe in bench trials, the court isn't supposed to take notice of shit not said "once the trial is really started" which I presume begins somewhere at or around discovery.

 

[Irene and 22 others]

Because they take it personally as a slight. They do not understand that they fucked up procedurally and that it does not matter who they are if they do not follow the rules.

The think plightsperging is an adequate substitute for everything in life. They want the whole championship handed to them for a trophy for the same effort of earning a praticipation trophy.

I blame modern society that constantly gives into this behavior during children's formative years. It's little wonder that people continue to repeat what worked for them all throughout their lives. Like so many things, this is best treated if nipped in the bud. Everyone here can either remember or imagine their younger selves acting like this at some point, but learning that carrying on in that manner ultimately accomplishes nothing or just adds the further injury of a paddled ass on top of existing problems.

Interestingly the only Court in the USA that continues to do it all the way through the case is the Supremes, they will contemplate arguments that the lawyers could or should have made, but didn't (e.g., the ACA is a tax argument iirc).

The Supreme Court can get away with it to a certain degree because they're the last stop as far as the judicial system is concerned. A district court shouldn't be contemplating how some drooling retard with an axe to grind at a website that makes fun of his very public behavior can twist his plights into a copyright case. As soon as you start taking sides, you lose the ability to serve as a neutral arbiter of process.

On another note, is the district judge on vacation or something like that? I had assumed that he would have issued some kind of order related to Greer missing his payment deadline again. I wouldn't fault him for not wanting to deal with this dumpster fire any more than he has to, or even waiting for the magistrate to rule on various motions before the court so that he can deal with the inevitable appeals to them, but it seems like this is something that could be taken care of with an order right into the docket to set a new deadline and additional sanctions for Greer.

 

[Lord of the Large Pants]

>Barges into Federal court
>"I've already explained why your ruling is wrong"
>Refuses to elaborate
>Leaves

 

[obsdj]

On another note, is the district judge on vacation or something like that?

He seems to have had a moderately active schedule this week and next week in terms of hearings, so no, he's around.

it seems like this is something that could be taken care of with an order right into the docket to set a new deadline and additional sanctions for Greer.

Soooooooooooo many times we've said, "The judge could take care of [Greer's latest bullshit] with a quick docket text order" only for all of us to sink into the depressing abyss of a court that is just "Whatever" about all of Greer's antics.

 

[m1ddl3m4rch]

Soooooooooooo many times we've said, "The judge could take care of [Greer's latest bullshit] with a quick docket text order" only for all of us to sink into the depressing abyss of a court that is just "Whatever" about all of Greer's antics.

So why can't we appeal everything above his head right now? This many times is egregious.

 

[The Stranger]

>Barges into Federal court
>"I've already explained why your ruling is wrong"
>Refuses to elaborate
>Leaves

You forgot
>Judge decides in his favor

 

[Prokhor Zakharov]

So why can't we appeal everything above his head right now? This many times is egregious.

It hasn't reached that level yet. It has to be much, much worse for a writ of mandamus to have any chance of succeeding. This is one of those situations where you don't pull that trigger unless you are as near absolutely certain as you can be before doing it that you will succeed.

 

[Tiresome]

you don't pull that trigger unless you are as near absolutely certain as you can be before doing it that you will succeed

I love that you gave perfectly reasonable advice that Russell never, ever takes and yet he continues to just carry on despite it.

 

[Kosher Dill]

I love that you gave perfectly reasonable advice that Russell never, ever takes and yet he continues to just carry on despite it.

You can't argue with success though - who are we to judge? Who is the judge to judge, apparently?

 

[ShinyStar]

On another note, is the district judge on vacation or something like that? I had assumed that he would have issued some kind of order related to Greer missing his payment deadline again

I'm going to buck the zeitgeist of the thread and say that the judge has no interest in doing this piecemeal. He's preparing his dismissal, and is going to handle everything all at once, because he's done with this case.

 

[Bill Evans 45]

I want to believe.

 

[Watching Rekieta]

On another note, is the district judge on vacation or something like that? I had assumed that he would have issued some kind of order related to Greer missing his payment deadline again.

I suspect he's giving the mail 10 days (14 calendar days) to deliver after the deadline. Hardin would be obligated to report if he receives it and what the postmark was. I would think Monday is the earliest the judge would respond.

 

[Pee Cola]

I suspect he's giving the mail 10 days (14 calendar days) to deliver after the deadline. Hardin would be obligated to report if he receives it and what the postmark was. I would think Monday is the earliest the judge would respond.

Is that 10 business days? If so, wouldn't it be 15 days on account of the Independence Day holiday? In that case, I wouldn't expect to hear anything until Wednesday at the earliest.

 

[Napoleon III]

Soooooooooooo many times we've said, "The judge could take care of [Greer's latest bullshit] with a quick docket text order" only for all of us to sink into the depressing abyss of a court that is just "Whatever" about all of Greer's antics.

Tbf as it currently stands nothing is happening in this case which means it isn't costing Null any money. The only difference between the situation now and an actual dismissal is the worry that this case might start back up again although granted this case originally started off of an overturned dismissal.

So while nothing is happening it is like it is dismissed. Which is honestly a way that the district judge could soft dismiss this case. There would be nothing to appeal and the case sits in limbo for a really really long time.

I'm going to buck the zeitgeist of the thread and say that the judge has no interest in doing this piecemeal. He's preparing his dismissal, and is going to handle everything all at once, because he's done with this case.

I will note the judge in the Acerthorn lawsuit basically has the case in limbo indefinitely. The judge is looking into Acerthorn's IFP status for probably over a year now.

 

[DavidS877]

There would be nothing to appeal and the case sits in limbo for a really really long time.

Do you really think Greer won't take a page from the Stebbins lawsuit and complain to the District Court Judge and then to the Appeals court if nothing happens?

I will note the judge in the Acerthorn lawsuit basically has the case in limbo indefinitely. The judge is looking into Acerthorn's IFP status for probably over a year now.

Sort of, the Magistrate judge did finally file a recommendation for dismissal back in January. So the District Court Judge has only had the case for 6 months or so, less if you just count from when Stebbins filed his objection to the recommendation for dismissal.

On the other hand, Moon/Hardin haven't had to file anything since April of last year.

 

[Napoleon III]

Do you really think Greer won't take a page from the Stebbins lawsuit and complain to the District Court Judge and then to the Appeals court if nothing happens?

How often is a writ of Mandamus granted? And even if he did, then Greer would have to pay another filing fee. Stalling is something the Judges (plural) could use as a strategy if they wanted to.

 

[Unintelligence Score]

I'm going to buck the zeitgeist of the thread and say that the judge has no interest in doing this piecemeal. He's preparing his dismissal, and is going to handle everything all at once, because he's done with this case.

I believe the judge may be preparing to tell Russel Greer that he has been a bad boy for not paying the sanctions and that if he does not pay them in 30 days he will make good on his promise of increasing the sanctions by 500 dollars.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

So why can't we appeal everything above his head right now? This many times is egregious.

We very well could, but that costs money in far excess of what it costs to continue litigating on the lower level. So much as asking the 10th circuit to look into the Judge's actions costs $600 (before any Hardin fees) and that's if the 10th circuit immediately decides without requiring additional briefing (meaning, pretty much, if they decide you don't warrant approval of a writ of mandamus). If additional briefing is required, that would cost significantly more.

 

[Sexy Senior Citizen]

Tbf as it currently stands nothing is happening in this case which means it isn't costing Null any money. The only difference between the situation now and an actual dismissal is the worry that this case might start back up again although granted this case originally started off of an overturned dismissal.

So while nothing is happening it is like it is dismissed. Which is honestly a way that the district judge could soft dismiss this case. There would be nothing to appeal and the case sits in limbo for a really really long time.

It's a great outcome for the judge- he no longer has to deal with this retarded case.

It's not a great outcome for Null- he was hoping for sanctions and having Greer labeled vexatious. Still, he pays nothing for now.

It's a bad outcome for Russell: Kiwi Farms is still up and he has the threat of sanctions looming (never falling, but they're there.) He also can't appeal without angering the judge.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

"Can't appeal dismissal if we never dismiss" smug judgie inbound?

The entire concept of Russ appealing the judge NOT raping him a new asshole for not paying the sanctions is amusing to me. The retard might be dumb enough to do it.