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Then they win a different way, which is to force you off the net for gathering purposes. Everyone should instead learn Linux and opt for private LAN chains. You then have to know the IP address to access the servers. Don’t go off the grid, build a new one.
All they have to do is declare your network an unlawful assembly and everyone connected will be marked for death or indefinite imprisonment without trial, just like Jan 6.
 

"DOJ sue Washington State over law forcing members of the Catholic clergy to report sex crimes against children"

I wanna see a magatard defend this.
The law would be self defeating on top of going against the seperation of church and state.

But the ineffective point I think is the more important part. What they want to do is require that clergy report and turn in perpetrators of crimes if they learn of them through Catholic Confession.

It sounds smart until you think for 2 seconds and realize that if the clergy start just turning people in they're going to just stop saying anything in confessionals like that. So you might get a handful of convictions when it's first implemented but in the long run people would just learn to not say anything to their clergy. making it a useless provision that does nothing.

On the flip side the members of the clergy at current can speak to people who confess these crimes and try to encourage them to seek help or even turn themselves in. Which will have a debatable level of impact but if it has even a little it's better than "a few arrests and then the criminals stop speaking to clergy altogether"
 
Well, it looks like the the big, beautiful bill is going to pass.

I didn't think it was gonna happen, but kudos to Trump and his crew, getting the right pressure to get it done.

My issue is that it increases spending, and the AI stuff in that bill worries me.

I would say, I hope it gets fixed in the future, but knowing where Congress is and all the tech guys with all that money they have. I doubt that it's going to happen
They defanged the bill and took out most of everything that Trump wanted.

Firearm deregulation? GONE.
No tax on tips? NEUTERED.
No healthcare for illegals? GONE.
No tranny healthcare? GONE.

Basically what’s left is a trillion dollar pentagon budget, because all the MIC faggots need to get paid, more debt, more money printer go BRRRRR, and few of the cuts that would finance the tax cuts.
 
It sounds smart until you think for 2 seconds and realize that if the clergy start just turning people in they're going to just stop saying anything in confessionals like that. So you might get a handful of convictions when it's first implemented but in the long run people would just learn to not say anything to their clergy. making it a useless provision that does nothing.

And if you took another 2 seconds to think you'd realize that victims use these confessionals too, not just perpetrators. Technically clergymen are obligated to avoid reporting abuse regardless of who is at fault in the confessed act.

So, yes, the retards who violate children and then admit that fact to their local Catholic church will likely avoid ever doing that. I would argue that demographic is insignificant compared to the amount of people who go to confessionals seeking comfort as victims of abuse.
 
So, yes, the retards who violate children and then admit that fact to their local Catholic church will likely avoid ever doing that. I would argue that demographic is insignificant compared to the amount of people who go to confessionals seeking comfort as victims of abuse.
and the same fact would remain that the clergy could advise them to seek the proper course of action and to go to the authorities. If they are unwilling to do so and just wanting someone to talk to by confiding it to clergy, then breaking that confidentiality by reporting it will have the same chilling effect which is "they will just stop talking to clergy about this"

Breaking confidentiality that is supposed to come with confession only encourages people to tell less. And removes the clergymen's ability to try and help victims or advise perpetrators to turn themselves in/seek help.

This law isn't going to save the kids the way you think it will and almost every government overreach in terms of established freedoms (in this case the fact that government has no place in matters of the church) comes under the guise of "save the kids" as it is an easy point of emotional leverage while evidence that it would be effective in ever doing that is nothing but speculative and there is reason to believe it could be harmful as well.
 
And if you took another 2 seconds to think you'd realize that victims use these confessionals too, not just perpetrators.
Meaning that the abusers will no longer allow the child to go to confession.

It's a dumb law that's there for Brownie points. They'd be better off demanding that Imams turn in sex criminals too. As soon as you see only Catholic and nothing else you know it is littler more than additional attacks against the Catholic Church.
 
and the same fact would remain that the clergy could advise them to seek the proper course of action and to go to the authorities. If they are unwilling to do so and just wanting someone to talk to by confiding it to clergy, then breaking that confidentiality by reporting it will have the same chilling effect which is "they will just stop talking to clergy about this"

So, uh... Do you think victims of child abuse just never open up to therapists because therapists are obligated by law to report suspected sex crimes against kids?

Because your argument could very easily be reframed to also advocate for therapists to have the level of confidentiality of Catholic confession. Hell you could reframe it to apply to any level of confession. Despite that, from my understanding, people report child sex crimes or admit to being victims of child sex crimes to therapists every single fucking day.

Anything else I can strike down?
 

"DOJ sue Washington State over law forcing members of the Catholic clergy to report sex crimes against children"

I wanna see a magatard defend this.
I'll defend it by simply saying it is indefensible to people for whom a higher power doesn't exist.

Simple. There's no reconciling irreconcilable values. Either you value freedom of religion, or you don't, and if you don't, the onus is on you to explain why you believe overriding a core and incredibly holy aspect of a faith for 'the greater good' is of more value to you personally, than the sanctity of religious institutions is to society.

Good luck doing that without sounding like you have a ten-gallon fedora.
 
So, uh... Do you think victims of child abuse just never open up to therapists because therapists are obligated by law to report suspected sex crimes against kids?
never? no, more reluctant to? yes. But I don't see the relationship between a therapist and patient as being directly paralel to that of a clergymen and a member of their congregation in the first place so the comparison doesn't work 1:1 the way you seem to think it does really.

A therapist has a very different relationship with their patient than a clergymen where they are more actively prying into what's going on with their patient and looking for warning signs of what's causing them issues.

By contrast the conversation with your priest in a confession booth is a lot more based on what you are willing to just freely and naturally offer up rather than the other party seeking to dig deeper so the reluctance/chilling aspect is a lot more impactful.
Because your argument could very easily be reframed to also advocate for therapists
the constitution has never enshrined the separation of therapist and state so no, no you can't re frame my argument to work there.

I just do not think the law stands to offer a particularly effective solution, while also treading into territory that the constitution dictates the state ought not go. with the usual state offered reasoning of "for the kids"

We need to restrict the second amendment "for the kids" we need to restrict speech "for the kids" we need the state involved in your faith "for the kids"
 
Spoken like a true porn addict
It's true though. The rise of free internet porn led to the decline and fall of sex killers, who raped and murdered women and gay men. When you can get all the porn you want on your computer, you don't have the urge to hunt down women (if you are a man) or gay men (if you are a closeted gay man).
 
It's true though. The rise of free internet porn led to the decline and fall of sex killers, who raped and murdered women and gay men. When you can get all the porn you want on your computer, you don't have the urge to hunt down women (if you are a man) or gay men (if you are a closeted gay man).
No...No it didn't. That's why there's still monkey torturers, still killers and still rapists today. Technology has just made it easier to spot, and arrest them or prevent it.

Pedophiles use this same excuse, "let us have child pornography. We won't rape children anymore/will rape them less!"
Porn is proven to escalate harmful desires, since you need worse and worse to get off.
 
All the fun stuff got stripped by the parliamentarian because Senate Republicans are cucks.
I think a bit of this is because they're already using goofy rule bending to pass the bill with a simple majority rather than 60 (doing it by reconciliation or 51 votes rather than 60). So it's harder to add stuff that affects the budget beyond something like 10 years or changing anything regarding social security.

They're definitely not going to try getting Democrats on board with the bill so going for a majority is out of the question, which leaves them stuck with the reconciliation process that has its limitations.
 
In a letter marking the 31st anniversary of the Lubavitcher Rebbe's passing, Trump quotes the Talmud and says that following its teachings will lead America into a new golden age:
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Thank you, President Trump!
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Very interesting how much power this little kike sect actually has.

The Lubavitchers actually WORSHIP rabbi Schneerson as the messiah, and don’t acknowledge that he’s dead.

(So yeah, Trump just managed to be a DOUBLE heretic, and spit not just on Christianity but also on Judaism, lol!)

Since the Rebbe is THE MESSIAH, he can’t be dead, so they act like he’s alive and literally talk to a ghost.

When Ben Gvir, the Israeli minister of national security visited them recently, he also did a whole show of addressing the ghost of the dead Rabbe and asking him for permission to speak.

It's true though. The rise of free internet porn led to the decline and fall of sex killers, who raped and murdered women and gay men. When you can get all the porn you want on your computer, you don't have the urge to hunt down women (if you are a man) or gay men (if you are a closeted gay man).
Meh… Any decline in serial killers is more likely tied to advances in DNA technology and forensics. There aren’t fewer serial killers and rapists, they just get caught earlier.

(Shit, if you really want to discuss out there reasons why there are fewer serial killers, than the switch away from lead based paints probably makes more sense than: “We have porn now!”)
 
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So yeah, Trump just managed to be a DOUBLE heretic, and spit not just on Christianity but also on Judaism, lol!)
Not Judaism, but some weird sect of Judaism that is basically a charismatic folk religion that demands people live like they’re in the early modern east European shtetl. Equating this to Judaism is like equating the Jehovahs Witnesses or Mormons to all of Christianity.
 
And the best part: he is right about everything. Hillary had her head up her ass the entire time. Smug fucking bitch was huffing her own farts. Unironically though she was a better candidate than Joe or Kamala. Evil, but calculating.
hilldawg was nasty but she knew what she was doing, she was competent
biden probably did too at some point in the past but now he's a senile geriatric
kamala is just stupid and incompetent
 
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