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[Markass the Worst]

While I unashamedly support walkable cities I really hate how these types think this is a complete solution to destroyed social communities. How come it wasn't like this in 1980s America? How come europe and east Asia are becoming isolated due to modernity?

They really think urban planning explains everything about society, when it doesn't. Not even remotely close.

 

[quaawaa]

CityNerd made a video a month ago about Sunriver, Oregon called "Suburbanites Will Flock to This 15 Minute City and Like It":

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Spoiler: YouTube

A better title however is "Urbanists Will Flock to This Suburb and Like It" because this is what Sunriver looks like:

Extremely low density with the only businesses being located at a couple strip malls in the center of the picture:


CityNerd thinks its an urbanist paradise though because there is a bike trail network throughout the neighborhood:

He also loves being able to smell nature instead of concrete and that its a gated neighborhood.

In the video he showcase the city's walkable shopping:

but that restaurant is actually in a strip mall and the photo is just taken from the edge of the parking lot:

If he took photos from similar angles when he's hating on a suburb, all of them would look like Sunriver.

Some funny quotes from the video:

I've been coming to Sunriver for a long time before I lived in Oregon even so before I got into planning and engineering and really thinking deeply about urbanism and as I came here on vacation every few years I always wondered what it was about Sun River that felt so enjoyable and so freeing even though by any measure it's significantly less dense with much less variety and destinations than the cities I actually lived in.

The most notable thing about arriving here is something I just can't communicate in a video and that's the smell. It's juniper and sage and for me it's like an enchantment. It generates like kind of a Pavlovian response where when I smell it the stress just starts leaving my body.

Sunriver though is kind of a self-contained city in its own right. Looked at in schematic it's almost like a video game map in that there's a simple roadway network with a variety of destination types distributed throughout the area with just a couple connections to the outside world and that element of self-contained is I think an important part of what makes it so appealing.

I think you often see kids out here riding and navigating the path systems unsupervised. I don't have the data to back this up but so many of the families who visit Sunriver strike me as suburb dwellers and the irony is you so often hear that people move to the suburbs to raise their kids because it's safe but just about the least safe thing I can imagine doing is letting your kids outside to try to walk or bike anywhere in most US suburbs.

You'll note that the roadways themselves don't have bike lanes or sidewalks. Instead there's a dense network of multi-use paths that sometimes run adjacent to the roadways but usually not so instead of hearing the sound of motor vehicles as you're biking or walking you're often in a dedicated right of way that runs between the back decks of vacation homes or maybe along the edge of a golf course or a river and this to me is the core of what makes a place like Sunriver so appealing.

Just admit it Ray, you like the suburbs.

The comments are funny as well:

"Muh Disneyworld":

"Walkable cities are only possible for high-income White people":

 

[BulkForceFive]

Public workshop just isn't quirky enough, it sounds like the kind of thing that the working class might use.

It reminds people that you have to put up with 'the public' there, which is awful. My dad has endless frustrations with the other guys at the senior citizen's woodshop and these are all people that are supposed to know what they're doing.
basically the 'surprised pikachu face' meme that running shitty recovered lumber with nails in it through the planer will wreck the cutterhead, over and over and over.

 

[DavidS877]

CityNerd made a video a month ago about Sunriver, Oregon called "Suburbanites Will Flock to This 15 Minute City and Like It":

It's not a fucking city. It's not really a suburb. It's just a resort community. Almost no one lives there, it's almost all vacation rentals and 2nd houses.

If you want literally anything you have to drive to Bend, 20 miles away.

There are master planned retirement communities with more amenities than Sunriver..

 

[JJLiautaud]

If you have a structural issue with your condo, good fucking luck trying to get an HOA to actually resolve it.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

"Walkable cities are only possible for high-income White people":

I mean he's not wrong, Jason famously fled Canada for a high-income white area, and "socioeconomic diversity" is why we can't have table tennis in public parks, among other things.

 

[Walrus and Carpenter 2.0]

In the video he showcase the city's walkable shopping:

but that restaurant is actually in a strip mall and the photo is just taken from the edge of the parking lot:

If he took photos from similar angles when he's hating on a suburb, all of them would look like Sunriver.

I like how in his picture the rack is almost completely filled with bikes while the same rack is totally empty in the streetview photo. It's almost like his photo is staged in more ways than just dishonest framing.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

Road Guy Rob just dropped the best urbanist video of the year, but it will never be mentioned because it's not anti-car

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_F6xKd7AGKs

Seriously, it's a good video that actually made me kinda want to live there, shit looks cash money.

 

[Markass the Worst]

Road Guy Rob just dropped the best urbanist video of the year, but it will never be mentioned because it's not anti-car

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_F6xKd7AGKs

Seriously, it's a good video that actually made me kinda want to live there, shit looks cash money.

Jason Slaughter called him a car apologist, remember? They are never going to speak highly of him.

 

[quaawaa]

Road Guy Rob just dropped the best urbanist video of the year, but it will never be mentioned because it's not anti-car

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_F6xKd7AGKs

Seriously, it's a good video that actually made me kinda want to live there, shit looks cash money.

Keep in mind that cycling enthusiasts are often the most vocal opponents against multi-use trails because they hate being held up by slower traffic. They want bike-only lanes instead and they know that no one will support building a bike lane when there's a perfectly good bike trail a few feet away.

Trails are popular and face little resistance because they don't take away road space from cars, which is also why many urbanists are against them (and the same reason why they hate pedestrian bridges). They're common in suburbs all across the country, not just Carmel.

It's also common to see people biking on the sidewalk in places that are not officially bike friendly (e.g. large parts of Florida). It works well because there's little pedestrian traffic, but to urbanists that doesn't count because they didn't paint the path red/green.

 

[LaxerBRO]

CityNerd made a video a month ago about Sunriver, Oregon called "Suburbanites Will Flock to This 15 Minute City and Like It":

Where is the needle exchange?
The homeless "navigation" center?
The Suboxone clinic?
How about a shooting range and gun store?
Since "Sex work is real work" where is the brothel and exotic dance club?

Do the workers get to live in the lodges next to the lake?

P.S. After taxes and fees its about $1000 a night during summer.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

Trails are popular and face little resistance because they don't take away road space from cars, which is also why many urbanists are against them (and the same reason why they hate pedestrian bridges). They're common in suburbs all across the country, not just Carmel.

That's the really interesting thing about the video; that suburb did exactly that - took lanes away from cars and gave them to bikes - and everyone loves it.

The problem is the carbrains love it too, because basically there are no stoplights in the town anymore; everything is roundabouts so traffic never stops moving. It's literally a win/win but they can't have it, because carbrains need to suffer.

 

[Meriasek]

That's the really interesting thing about the video; that suburb did exactly that - took lanes away from cars and gave them to bikes - and everyone loves it.

The problem is the carbrains love it too, because basically there are no stoplights in the town anymore; everything is roundabouts so traffic never stops moving. It's literally a win/win but they can't have it, because carbrains need to suffer.

It's why they prefer to add trams instead of new elevated or underground metro lines even where a tram wouldnt fulfill the right role. Because those don't take away road space from cars.

 

[DavidS877]

How about a shooting range and gun store?

I'm too lazy to look at the maps, but if there's BLM or some forest land nearby, voila, you've got a shooting range.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

Keep in mind that cycling enthusiasts are often the most vocal opponents against multi-use trails because they hate being held up by slower traffic. They want bike-only lanes instead and they know that no one will support building a bike lane when there's a perfectly good bike trail a few feet away.

Yeah, the whole "slower traffic" is the biggest piece of hypocrisy.

Bicycle in main lane: "reeeeeee I have a right to the road"
Pedestrian in bike trail: "reeeeeee get out of the way you stupid NPC"

Bicycle suddenly goes into main road, gets hit: "Evil carbrain tries to murder cyclist"
Pedestrian suddenly goes into bike path, gets hit: "They were stupid. It's not my fault"

 

[LaxerBRO]

Keep in mind that cycling enthusiasts are often the most vocal opponents against multi-use trails because they hate being held up by slower traffic. They want bike-only lanes instead and they know that no one will support building a bike lane when there's a perfectly good bike trail a few feet away.

Trails are popular and face little resistance because they don't take away road space from cars, which is also why many urbanists are against them (and the same reason why they hate pedestrian bridges). They're common in suburbs all across the country, not just Carmel.

It's also common to see people biking on the sidewalk in places that are not officially bike friendly (e.g. large parts of Florida). It works well because there's little pedestrian traffic, but to urbanists that doesn't count because they didn't paint the path red/green.

Personally, I slow jog on the bike path in multi-use trails as bikers don't have a problem riding their bikes on the road.

 

[IdiotPlusPlus]

Road Guy Rob just dropped the best urbanist video of the year, but it will never be mentioned because it's not anti-car

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_F6xKd7AGKs

Seriously, it's a good video that actually made me kinda want to live there, shit looks cash money.

RGR out there proving real traffic engineers are doing the work of making shit better, and urbanists are reddit larpers who just hate people who aren't immiserated bugmen like them xD

 

[mr_negativity]

Nothing pisses me off more than "Makers" and the urbanites with too much free time who larp as craftsmen because they shittily screenprinted a T-shirt or poured different colors of candle wax on top of each other and sold it for $20 on Etsy.

A maker drama thread on the farms would have been appropriate a decade ago when maker spaces were the all the rage. Most of these 501c3 maker spaces are basically tax dodges for the founders to run their private hangouts and subsidize their Etsy manufacturing under the guise of a public charity.

The most blatant example would have been Chris Boden and the Geek Group. Who used his makerspace/charity to launder bitcoin and spent a couple of years in prison for it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_National_Science_Institute

 

[K89H2]

r/fuckcars user is currently seething because the voters don't want the council removing car spaces.

 

[quaawaa]

Some more craziness from that guy who ragequit Twitter:

Mad that no one else has followed him to Zuck's failed Twitter clone:

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Dumbass thinks that frequently buying small quantities of goods is cheaper than occasionally buying large quantities:


Going to Costco would cause this urbanist to be "incapacitated for a week from the sheer sensory overload":

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Of course he hates wearing helmets:

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I guarantee you this woman is thinking "I wish I had a car":

Spoiler: Image in Tweet

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