Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

[Null]

It's really obvious Florida doesn't want the case and you rarely are so blessed in litigation to know if a judge hates you right out the gate and have the ability to just rollback.

 

[mindlessobserver]

I'm not sure we've had a roll back just yet, because I'm not entirely sure that what the Florida judge did was allowed under the rules. Of course this case doesn't seem to follow the rules anyway, so who cares about that niggling little detail.

 

[Null]

Nobody is following the rules. Law is very obviously not a programming language where there are strictly defined concepts derived from mathematically constant systems that when violated cause a fatal error which simply terminates proceedings. It's quite literally old people writing bullshit while trying to justify why their bullshit is the least bullshit to some other old person. It has become extremely obvious that the system is subjective and emotionally charged, where most people have immense senses of pride, and there is very little in the way of objective higher appeal - because even those courts are subjective, emotionally charged, prejudiced, and politically oriented.

"X should happen" t. people who read books

 

[Your Starter for 10]

Well, violence was always the more satisfying option anyway.

 

[Botchy Galoop]

Law is very obviously not a programming language where there are strictly defined concepts derived from mathematically constant systems that when violated cause a fatal error which simply terminates proceedings.

Interesting.
I do believe at one time, the Law was very much like a programming language, where as time went on, more lines of code were written and added, and some of the writers of code wrote clearly, and other writers of code were sloppy. The whole conglomeration grew and grew until no one was able to untangle the mess to make it fit for purpose. And then it broke. The proceedings were terminated. And few knew and even fewer cared.
Or perhaps those are just the lies we tell ourselves so we can sleep at night.
Oh well, at least if nothing is happening in this case, it is not costing you money.

 

[Napoleon III]

and other writers of code were sloppy.

Everything that can be written in Javascript will be written in Javascript, including the LAW.

Law is very obviously not a programming language

Segmentation culpa

 

[Terence Trent D'ARPA]

Looks like we have some movement on the case. Magistrate Judge Bennett concedes he erroneously transferred the case to Florida, and it looks like he has "granted Mr. Greer's motions" so Utah has the case apparently:

MEMORANDUM DECISION & Order: Mr. Greers motion 107 to reconsider the courts order transferring this case to the Northern District of Florida under Fed. R. Civ. P. 60(b) is GRANTED. Mr. Greers motion 111 to vacate the courts order transferring this case under Fed.R.Civ. P. 59(e) is GRANTED. Signed by Magistrate Judge Jared C. Bennett on 07/15/2024. (kpf) (Entered: 07/15/2024)

 

[WelperHelper99]

Looks like we have some movement on the case. Magistrate Judge Bennett concedes he erroneously transferred the case to Florida, and it looks like he has "granted Mr. Greer's motions" so Utah has the case apparently:

Is this... is this... MOVEMENT?

 

[Dizzyuntildeath]

Is this... is this... MOVEMENT?

In the idea that it is a fixed wheel. Technically it has moved, but it is exactly where it started.

 

[Your Starter for 10]

It is the official mooting of the last 5 months. Well, everything except Null's bank account.

 

[Apteryx Owenii]

russ wins again

you know, other than smothering his own career in the crib, pissing away all his money on whores/ridiculous schemes and getting evicted

 

[Terrifik]

russ wins again

you know, other than smothering his own career in the crib, pissing away all his money on whores/ridiculous schemes and getting evicted

It's more Florida won because they didn't want to deal with.
Utah judge must be mad he got this back because he didn't rule on a motion.
There easy way judge give the finale ultimatium to rusus bring the case to court or Dismiss the case with predijust.

 

[Sexy Senior Citizen]

Is this... is this... MOVEMENT?

Bowel movement, perhaps.

 

[Terence Trent D'ARPA]

District Judge David Barlow referred some more motions to Magistrate Judge Bennett in ECF 134. Looking through these, some of them are motions that were still outstanding while the case was originally in Utah, and one was from its time in Florida -- 101 (Motion for scheduling conference or dismissal -- that is apparently back on the menu with the transfer order vacated) and 119 (Motion to extend time, filed in Florida by Greer.)

ORDER REFERRING MOTION 62 Defendant's MOTION for Joinder and Memorandum in Support re 3 Complaint,,, filed by Joshua Moon, Kiwi Farms, 101 MOTION Scheduling Conference or Dismissal filed by Joshua Moon, Kiwi Farms, 118 MOTION to Access CM/ECF or Alternative Motion to Email Documents to Designated Email Address filed by Russell G. Greer, 63 Defendant's MOTION for More Definite Statement and Memorandum in Support filed by Joshua Moon, Kiwi Farms, 68 MOTION to Amend/Correct 3 Complaint,,, and Memorandum in Support MOTION to Substitute Party and Memorandum in Support MOTION to Intervene and Memorandum in Support filed by Joshua Moon, Kiwi Farms, Lolcow LLC, 65 Defendant's MOTION to Strike 3 Complaint,,, and Memorandum in Support filed by Joshua Moon, Kiwi Farms, 119 MOTION to Extend Time filed by Russell G. Greer Motions referred to Jared C. Bennett. Signed by Judge David Barlow on 7/15/2024. (jal) (Entered: 07/15/2024)

Greer lamented that "that’s what was so frustrating with the Utah Court was the Court WRONGLY assumed Plaintiff wasn’t participating." Well, the Utah court is participating now!

russ wins again

you know, other than smothering his own career in the crib, pissing away all his money on whores/ridiculous schemes and getting evicted

I want to see the Las Vegas eviction pleadings -- if nothing else, "Defendant Russell Greer Defendant Russell Greer" will be side-splittingly funny!

 

[Harvey Danger]

What the rutting fuck is this shit



"retard plaintiff whined about vague, improbable injustice and another court listened to him, therefore we were in error"

How do you reach that dumbfuck conclusion at all?!?

The court reconsiders its prior order to transfer this case to the Northern District of Florida and finds that this decision was clearly erroneous because Defendants failed to establish that the District of Utah was an inconvenient forum and that the Northern District of Florida would be more convenient.

Oh! Suddenly there's an actual analysis of the legal grounds, when it comes to the defense! This moron does have a law book somewhere, probably propping up his desk! Does it say anything in there about applying the law to retarded pro se claims?

Mr. Greer frames his motions under Fed. R. Civ. P. 59 and 60, however, these rules apply only to a “final judgment,” which an order transferring a case is not. Thus, the court instead reconsiders its prior order based in part on the law of the case doctrine.

Well aren't you a fucking generous Santa Claus, noting that he argued wrong but handing out an unearned re-consideration anyway.

While Defendants made some arguments that tend to sound in section 1406 rather than 1404, their motion seeks transfer under the latter, and it was on that basis that the court granted it. Therefore, this argument does not provide reason for the court to reconsider its order transferring the case.

So Greer gets consideration when he's citing the wrong rules, but KF doesn't even when aiming for the right rules. He's just picking and choosing when to give half-made arguments relevance, and when to dismiss them. Just switching tack 3 times within 3 pages.

I don't care if Null thinks it's better to get away from a judge that clearly hates him, this doesn't seem much better. What a shitty joke of a court.

 

[DavidS877]

At this point I'm hoping Utah has simply decided, F-this let's finish it.

Best outcome: Dismissed with prejudice for failure to prosecute after they read the docket and see nothing has happened.

Funniest outcome: The court forces Greer to join Google.

Likely outcome: Status conference.

 

[Napoleon III]

I don't care if Null thinks it's better to get away from a judge that clearly hates him, this doesn't seem much better. What a shitty joke of a court.

I don't agree, the decision mentions multiple times that Greer's arguments were retarded. He only grants that it was transferred erroneously because the party that moves must show sufficient cause and the opposite party not responding is not sufficient cause.

Step outside this case a little bit and ask "Is it normal for a case to be transferred years after it started?" The answer is no.
@AnOminous said he didn't like this, because the Utah court's decision to move this to Florida was not good. Hopefully I'm paraphrasing fairly here.

I thought that in the end moving it to Florida would delay the case more than keeping it in Utah would. I've said this before so I won't discuss it again

Honestly don't think there is much to this decision except to note the Judge was only as conciliatory to Greer as he needed to be.

Looks like we have some movement on the case. Magistrate Judge Bennett concedes he erroneously transferred the case to Florida, and it looks like he has "granted Mr. Greer's motions" so Utah has the case apparently:

Where is the Azula PfP I don't understand

 

[AnOminous]

Step outside this case a little bit and ask "Is it normal for a case to be transferred years after it started?" The answer is no.
@AnOminous said he didn't like this, because the Utah court's decision to move this to Florida was not good. Hopefully I'm paraphrasing fairly here.

I think the actual tactic of moving for a change of venue was brilliant, and had hilarious results, but it turned out unlucky in that the judge it got sent to was an idiot and we don't really want this case before an idiot. That said, it was an odd ruling to say the least, with no real reasoning and even itself strongly implied the judge wasn't impressed with the legal arguments in its favor.

I get the impression that Utah Judge is frustrated but at least competent and has said fuck it, there's no way out of this, instead of the insanely retardedly funny (but probably not fun for nool) option of actually playing that venue ping pong game the Florida case said prohibits doing what Florida Judge did.

 

[Harvey Danger]

Step outside this case a little bit and ask "Is it normal for a case to be transferred years after it started?" The answer is no.

Well gee, maybe the Utah court should arrange their thoughts to happen 5 seconds before writing something rather than 5 months after it.

If they couldn't figure that out before Russ screwed up more arguments, filed in the wrong places, filed insane bullshit that flies against the same rules being cited here, failed to claim anything actionable, and threw the entire case into an unprecedented legal limbo... then maybe they aren't qualified to re-consider their own rulings. "Plaintiff was too retarded to ignore" is not a fucking proper justification, even if it reaches a semi-correct conclusion months after the issue was mooted.

 

[Null]

I should represent myself pro se