Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

[Betonhaus]

Precendential. Out of Circuit Opinions are not binding, merely of persuasive value

I was wondering if demonstrating that the Greer case was messed up would be a good defense for the case that references the Greer case.

 

[he who has thus come/gone]

i definitely thought null actually lived somewhere in the u.s. and the whole 'living in eastern europe' was just a larp as an opsec thing

You can’t get pizza with hollandaise sauce on it in the US. That’s a uniquely European travesty.

 

[mindlessobserver]

I was wondering if demonstrating that the Greer case was messed up would be a good defense for the case that references the Greer case.

This was the subject of a couple pages of autism on bringing back the 12(b)(6) motion to dismiss on the grounds the 11th circuit should be allowed to weigh in on what the 10th circuit said. Can you do that? The answer is its incredibly complicated. Generally speaking though a court will never redo something another court has already adjudicated. You need to have a really good reason/argument to get around it.

 

[not william stenchever]

i definitely thought null actually lived somewhere in the u.s. and the whole 'living in eastern europe' was just a larp as an opsec thing

If the balcony pigeons Chantal and Jeffery Eggstien were a lie I would be heartbroken

 

[Napoleon III]

I predict this case will peter out because Greer is a retard and doesn't do what he needs to do in Florida. Kind of an anti-climatic end to this case but ultimately it is what is best for the site.

I think the only things that could change this are

1. The Supreme court granting cert.

2. Russ somehow coming up with enough money to hire Lawyers in Florida or get his previous ones to agree to work there. Russ would have to accept that this case is now in Florida and there is nothing he can do about it. Everyday he doesn't prosecute this case is another day that counts against him when Hardin files a motion to dismiss for want of prosecution.

Russ might figure out what he needs to do EVENTUALLY but he won't realize in time


I think both of these are somewhat unlikely. Possible but unlikely.

 

[ScooterL]

Russ would have to accept that this case is now in Florida and there is nothing he can do about it.

Or, he could have a spoiled brat tantrum, refuse to cooperate with the transfer, decide he can't continue the case because it's soooo far away, ghost the court, then make some posts about he was robbed of justice because he's disabled.

I don't think this is the most likely outcome, but I'd say it's very possible.

 

[mindlessobserver]

He'll get it dismissed and then appeal again.

 

[RodgerDodger]

If it gets tossed again he will probably try and sue his lawyers for not continuing to work for free... in small claims court... under the ADA.

 

[Thomas Talus]

sue his lawyers for not continuing to work for free... in small claims court...

Easiest layup for the defense ever, small claims aren't represented by counsel unless they're business entities.

 

[Prokhor Zakharov]

It's like a deranged episode of the "New Scooby Doo Movies" -- 'this week, Null and the Gang meet the Harlem Globetrotters and get sued by Russell Greer!"

In a Scooby Doo movie they would try to take the mask off of Russell Greer and then recoil in horror to realize it isn't a mask, his face really looks like that.

 

[CEO of Gay]

How about a proper suit, but a custom tie that has the Kiwifarms comic art from the website background?

Even better, let's make said tie a merch run.

It would be a lot funnier to get Russ to assign the copyright to his songs over to Null in lieu of having to pay monetary damages. They're not worth anything, but trying to collect from Russ is just going to see him file even more stupid lawsuits and waste more of everyone's time.

Null could put them all together and release an album. There are probably enough Kiwis that can buy copies to get it high up on the charts, similar to Cuckmas Carols. I think it would piss Russ off to no end to see his songs sell thousands of copies and not get a single dime for it.

I could be very retarded about this, but I understand that the copyright holder has the power to grant or deny permission to produce derivative works. So, if Russ were to assign copyright of his songs to Null, Null could legally make it a forum project for some of our more musically-inclined Kiwis to record their own takes on. Make that collection of recordings a merch run. A limited-run picture disc LP with art made by forum members would be awesome.

I'd love to buy some physical copies of the book. A run of those would be some great site fundraiser merch.

Amazon doesn't have the option to buy a hard copy, just digital, and Russ already handed that out for free. On release day even.

Again, Rather than just releasing the plain book by itself, make a forum project out of it. Some of you older Kiwis might remember being made to read a Shakespeare play in your high school English classes, and the books assigned being in a commentary format. One page would hold the original text, the other page would hold line-by-line or paragraph by paragraph commentary and explanations. Take some of the funniest, insightful, and informative comments by Kiwis on Greer's original text and combine them into the same book in commentary format. It would be like having a little Greer thread you could keep on your bookshelf.

How does this add to his plights, though? I presume he (or as yet imaginary council) can Zoom in, right?

Or does he have to give handies across the Southern US

Oh it most certainly will add to his plights. You see, he lives in Nevada, and making him travel all the way to Florida will be such a hardship, because travel is so expensive. And a Zoom meeting won't work because...well it just won't, okay?

I lied, THIS is really going to piss Greer off, this is Rule 7.1 Motions in their local rules:

Earlier in the thread, Greer's service address shenanigans were discussed, including Greer's own exhibit contradicting his assertion that the address on file was correct (and also doxing his home address, lol). I could totally see Greer attempting similar shit with whatever contact info the Florida court requests he file. And so, any attempt by Hardin to contact Greer for a conference to discuss things would bounce. Greer would think this to be terribly clever, because if Hardin can't contact him for a conference, then Hardin can't file a bunch of motions to bury him with paperwork. This would continue to stall the case, and buy more time for him to convince DJF or some other snake to come to his rescue.

What Greer would fail to realize, is that doing such only would serve to give Hardin yet more evidence with which to argue that Greer is acting in bad faith and move to have the case dismissed for failure to prosecute.

Come to think of it, would it be a good idea for Hardin to file something with the Florida court, pointing out Greer's blatant address shenanigans, and requesting the court to order Greer to file accurate and correct contact info? Or would it be better for Hardin to wait until Greer tries such shit again for him to point out that Greer tried to waste everyone's time in Utah in the exact same way?

 

[Bogliacci]

In a Scooby Doo movie they would try to take the mask off of Russell Greer and then recoil in horror to realize it isn't a mask, his face really looks like that.

Would his face be comically stretchy or impossible to move because it's paralyzed?

 

[Prokhor Zakharov]

Would his face be comically stretchy or impossible to move because it's paralyzed?

Impossible to move because it's paralyzed, then Scooby would make this face in response:

 

[geckogoy]

Impossible to move because it's paralyzed, then Scooby would make this face in response:

Wyświetl załącznik 5847071

Actually thats just perpetually my facial expression ever since I joined this site

 

[garlic mayo]

Would his face be comically stretchy or impossible to move because it's paralyzed?

There's a joke in there somewhere about the two types of paralysis being flaccid or spastic

 

[Maginot]

flaccid or spastic

https://youtu.be/vqgSO8_cRio

 

[Beavis]

I wouldn’t put it past Null to be fucking with everyone and not tell us which eastern block country he’s in if any. For all we know he’s in California.

Josh is a Floridaman. He’s coming back to Florida.

 

[Betonhaus]

so how long do we have before Greer submits ANYTHING to the Florida court directly? is it possible he simply doesn't know how as he was relying on a clerk to email?

 

[mindlessobserver]

so how long do we have before Greer submits ANYTHING to the Florida court directly? is it possible he simply doesn't know how as he was relying on a clerk to email?

Technically his next hard deadline he's not missed yet is his response for to the request for Writ of Certiorari at the Supreme Court. Everything else is still over due, but I am sure the Northern District of Florida is in no rush unless Hardin starts making demands for them to get things moving.

 

[Andoxico]

We're not on today's order list from SCOTUS so we'll find out if we're granted or denied on April Fools lol