What would Carl Jung tell you to do with your spreadsheet of life goals? Throw it away and embrace the feminine!

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Current debates about gender have become polarised. These divisive arguments tend to focus on narrowly defining “man” or “woman”, rather than considering archetypal underpinnings of the feminine and masculine. For psychiatrist and psychoanalyst Carl Jung and post-Jungian thinkers, these concepts are crucial to understanding gender and wider cultural dynamics.

A Jungian perspective considers the feminine and masculine as concepts that are not specific to man or woman but germane to people of all genders. They are embedded in thousands of years of history, folklore and myth and their characteristics are remarkably similar across time and cultures.
Jung’s understanding, expanded on by others relates the feminine to mythical and spiritual dimensions such as the moon, soul, creativity, inwardness, darkness, chaos, intuition and (active) receptivity. A masculine energy is often associated with the sun, spirit, light, (immediate) action, aspiration and outwardness.

The feminine is neglected in patriarchal, neoliberal cultures that value rationality, action and ambition. We found this to be very much the case in a study of 15 young women starting out in their professional careers. These women set out their professional ideals in terms of upward momentum and ascension, speaking negatively of periods of stagnation and inaction. They appeared to apply linear, progressive reasoning to their work, for instance describing career goals as sequential “boxes to tick”.

Life in a spreadsheet​

A feminine way of being also encourages “both/and thinking” – paradox and circularity that spark intuitive creativity. Such feminine energy embraces darkness, chaos, and spontaneous possibility. It seeks, as Jungian analyst Sylvia Perera explains: “the potential of cleansing immersion in the darkness of the unknown”. But embracing such darkness may seem out of the question in a society that lauds rationality. We are not, in short, encouraged to let life happen.

Most of us instead adopt linear, rational thinking that hinders feminine creativity. In our study, women used bureaucratic metaphors to describe their existential plans and future life events. They spoke of marriage, careers and having children in terms of “ticking boxes” and “to-do lists”. For example, one woman described creating an Excel spreadsheet to organise her career goals, such as promotions and management aspirations, and life goals (detailing by when she needed to get married and buy a house)
Planning life events as though they are “goals” turns them into markers of success or failure on a linear course, rather than rites of passage in a potentially far more cyclical life. We might, as a result, pursue such “events” at all costs. And if we don’t meet these markers, we might perceive that as “failure”, missing out on an opportunity to undergo a process of reflection that could provide wisdom and insight into the human condition.

When rejected for a promotion, for example, we could take time to reflect on why the rejection happened and how we can deal with rejection more generally. Which emotions does it provoke in us and where do they originate? The loss of the promotion can, if we allow it, open a different path – and one that is perhaps better aligned with our genuine sense of self.

People of all genders should consider turning toward the feminine by embracing periods of stagnancy and depression as vital to their development. And we could all benefit from valuing cyclical, paradoxical thinking as part of our personal growth. This involves understanding which aspects of ourselves are foregrounded, and which are the “shadowed”, unconscious parts of ourselves that we strongly deny as existing or reject, but that can significantly affect us nonetheless.

Truly asking whether we are rejecting the inner archetypal feminine (or masculine) is a good place to start. Friends are usually better at spotting our shadow characteristics than we are, and often even more effective is a skilled psychoanalyst.
 
Let me ask Mr. Jung what he thinks of this approach.
Oh wait, I can't because he's fucking dead!

Also, what the fuck does neoliberalism have to do with gender roles
 
Amazing, very nice. Now let's see what he said about the Jews.

I like Jung's work but idiots like this make discussions about it insufferable.
 
jung was a jew, like freud before him
scratch that i got him mixed up with frankl, jung was not a jew
still a hack though, psychology is a total meme
 
As a contemporary of Freud, Jung's ideas were mostly his own opinion and navel-gazing exercises in philosophy.

No one should take him seriously these days, for the same reason you shouldn't take Freud seriously either.

While I believe both sincerely thought they were on to something, since neither man rigorously subjected their ideas to scientific verification, in the end it was nothing but noise and garbage and literally useless for modern psychology outside of learning its history.
 
What is this Jordan Peterson bait? Would have been cheaper and easier to find a bottle of Benzos.
 
As a contemporary of Freud, Jung's ideas were mostly his own opinion and navel-gazing exercises in philosophy.

No one should take him seriously these days, for the same reason you shouldn't take Freud seriously either.

While I believe both sincerely thought they were on to something, since neither man rigorously subjected their ideas to scientific verification, in the end it was nothing but noise and garbage and literally useless for modern psychology outside of learning its history.
Jung actually studied astrological statistics quite in depth and found the strongest synastry to be between married couples.

His findings were very similar to statician Michel Gauquelin. Jung's work on archetypes is also invaluable to approaching the human mind. In fact we learn through archetypes (symbols) and most likely carry them imprinted in the amygdala.
 
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I have never, in my entire life, thought "What would Carl Jung do?", and I'm not fucking starting now.
 
Current debates about gender have become polarised. These divisive arguments tend to focus on narrowly defining “man” or “woman”, rather than considering archetypal underpinnings of the feminine and masculine.

"Narrowly" defining, or not defining at all? 🙄

A Jungian perspective considers the feminine and masculine as concepts that are not specific to man or woman but germane to people of all genders. They are embedded in thousands of years of history, folklore and myth and their characteristics are remarkably similar across time and cultures.
If they're concepts nonspecific or not predominating in one gender or the other, how are they "masculine" or "feminine" at all?

Also, if they're "remarkably similar" doesn't that imply a characteristic that is something other than cultural? Or am I reading that wrong, somehow?
 
If they're concepts nonspecific or not predominating in one gender or the other, how are they "masculine" or "feminine" at all?

Also, if they're "remarkably similar" doesn't that imply a characteristic that is something other than cultural? Or am I reading that wrong, somehow?
The author is retarded. One of Jung's core ideas is that feeling and thinking are fundamentally different functions that need to be put into their proper place through maturity (big fucking revelation, I know). He also has the concepts of the feminine and the masculine (Anima and Animus) but it's more of a core idea a person has of the opposite sex and how they relate to them.

Looks like the author jumbled the two together and tried to jam it into contemporary lefite politics.
 
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