Unpopular Opinions about Video Games

[Georgio Cocklord]

I can't comprehend thinking GBA & DS are among the worst game libraries. Even ignoring the entirety of the 2nd generation and the footnote consoles like 3DO, there's much worse out there. The vast majority of the 3rd generation has aged like milk outside of some true classics, and the 4th generation isn't aging as gracefully as people seem to think either tbh.

Look at what the GBA and DS had, there's of course lots of 1st party stuff but also tons of Capcom, Konami, and Square games. But what really makes them special are the hidden gems. Have you played Onimusha Tactics or Hotel Dusk? Few people ever seem to talk about them, but if you're into their genres it's hard not to like them.


I like 3DS but I'm always baffled when people elevate it above DS. I guess it's just different kinds of games we appreciate.

Onimusha Tactics was good but was it great though? Hotel Dusk, 666 doors and the World Ends with You I found unplayable. The 3DS has DKC returns, it has the Zelda remasters, Mario 3d Land, MH4 Ultimate, the MGS3 Remaster, SSMB, Link Between Worlds and many others which elude me currently. DS has New SMB which is extremely mediocre in hindsight, it has ChinaTown wars which is probably the best game on it, Mario Hoops which is really good, Mario Party DS which is okay, the DS Castlevanias among which only Order of Eccelsia has aged well, it has the FF remasters which are okay, Mario Kart which is the second best iteration after 8, all the cooking mama games maybe and all the pokemon shit which can charitably be called one game with different reskins. WarioWare was shit, the two DS Zeldas were shit, Rhythm Heaven is good but not my thing, all the popcap stuff Zuma PVZ were shit, Metal Slug 7 was very disappointing crap, nintendogs is very mediocre, Scribblenauts is okay at best, Advance wars and Fire Emblem were meh, Contra 4 was shit, Ace Attorney is a visual novel, SNK vs Capcom Card Fighters and Yu Gi Oh are decent enough and Jump Ultimate stars never released in the states. What do you have on the DS that is so good, which is worth revisiting in the year of 2023? Drawn to life? Lost in Blue? N+? Fucking Animal Crossing and Harvest Moon? Generally the quality of a console library is indicated by how many games it has worth revisiting way beyond the expiration date, games which people still play and hold in high regard. The DS and GBA have almost none in that regard, to the point where I think Nintendo really tried to skip out on first party titles for both consoles as they knew it wouldnt be worth a shit in the future. Both have little to no first party titles let alone first party titles of high quality. The DS couldve been on the level of the PS1 if Nintendo gave a shit, they used it as casual bait while the Wii was serving proper games cause they knew the DS could be used to get every single person on board including geriatric fucks. The GBA got a fucking port of Alien Hominid, the DS didnt even get that nor Castle Crashers.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Hotel Dusk, 666 doors and the World Ends with You I found unplayable.

the two DS Zeldas were shit

The controls were really the biggest flaw, the rest was perfectly serviceable, especially Spirit Tracks which improved the shitty tower from Phantom Hourglass.

What do you have on the DS that is so good, which is worth revisiting in the year of 2023?

Mega Man Star Force series, Golden Sun: Dark Dawn, Super Princess Peach, Bleach: The 3rd Phantom, Star Fox Command, Rune Factory, Mario & Luigi series, Dragon Ball Z: Attack of the Saiyans, and Sonic Colors were among my favorite and still hold up excellently.

There's also innumerable games that I think are good but not necessarily great, like Glory of Heracles, overlooked stuff.

 

[Georgio Cocklord]

The controls were really the biggest flaw, the rest was perfectly serviceable, especially Spirit Tracks which improved the shitty tower from Phantom Hourglass.

Thats the problem, they were serviceable, par for the course. Its like zelda 4 seasons or zelda II, they were not iconic or upto standards.

Mega Man Star Force series, Golden Sun: Dark Dawn, Super Princess Peach, Bleach: The 3rd Phantom, Star Fox Command, Rune Factory, Mario & Luigi series, Dragon Ball Z: Attack of the Saiyans, and Sonic Colors were among my favorite and still hold up excellently.

There's also innumerable games that I think are good but not necessarily great, like Glory of Heracles, overlooked stuff.

Okay Golden Sun is pretty good on DS and GBA as well but the others are par for the course. Certainly not iconic and great or even memorable personally. I would take one MH4 Ultimate on the 3DS for 10 DS games. And I was stuck with a DS for around 6 7 years, I played all sorts of shit on it. Who even remembers Thor God of Thunder by Wayforward. I even played the DS FPS games, the James Bond Shooters and Cod Demakes. I really hate the DS and to a lesser extent the GBA, just pure garbage libraries which I would have had a better view of if I played them when I was younger and not when I was 15.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Thats the problem, they were serviceable, par for the course. Its like zelda 4 seasons or zelda II, they were not iconic or upto standards.

They're not the best Zeldas but I think they're good. Better than Link Between Worlds, honestly. Serviceable by Zelda standards is actually still pretty good, we're just spoiled by the OoTs and Wind Wakers and LttPs.

Okay Golden Sun is pretty good on DS and GBA as well but the others are par for the course. Certainly not iconic and great or even memorable personally. I would take one MH4 Ultimate on the 3DS for 10 DS games. And I was stuck with a DS for around 6 7 years, I played all sorts of shit on it. Who even remembers Thor God of Thunder by Wayforward. I even played the DS FPS games, the James Bond Shooters and Cod Demakes. I really hate the DS and to a lesser extent the GBA, just pure garbage libraries which I would have had a better view of if I played them when I was younger and not when I was 15.

The Mega Man Star Force games aren't great? Admittedly they're a step down from Battle Network but they're still super fun. Super Princess Peach isn't going to change your life but it's an extremely solid 2D platformer.

Monster Hunter 4?! Oh no...yeah, our tastes just differ. I can't stand MH or its clones, really. Thor and James Bond? Who would even expect anything from those to begin with? There's one great 007 game, Golden Eye, and it's aged pretty poorly itself.

You should really have a look through DS' library again, it's got a lot. Those anime games I listed are great if you like their respective series. Monolithsoft did the DBZ one.

 

[Inafune Fanfiction]

Metroid Prime hunters is the only FPS on the NDS and the best looking game on the console. Everyone always talks about the multiplayer but no one ever attempted 3D world exploration like retro studios did. No idea how the fuck the series went from that to federation force. No one was asking for chibishit.

Most indie games trying a “PS2 artstyle” end up making something that looks like a 3D NDS game.

I don’t get the hype around battle network and star force. They were incredibly boring shonen games set in a japanese school. At least they aren’t 2D platformers. Maybe that’s it?

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

I don’t get the hype around battle network and star force. They were incredibly boring shonen games set in a japanese school. At least they aren’t 2D platformers. Maybe that’s it?

The combat is unique (there's literally just one indie game that tries to copy BN) and they have some of the best music in the franchise. A few entries have pretty neat RPG mechanics too.

 

[thegooddoctor]

And PS3 is better than PS4, Soyny fans always feel they need to defend the latest console. Once PS4 is fully put to rest they'll be able to admit PS3 was better.

I would not go that far, the PS4 is head and shoulders above the PS3 because it was what the PS3 really should have been like. Early PS3 days were admittedly pretty rough, yeah it promised amazing technology but the OG PS3 was admittedly overly expensive, had very few good games and was focused entirely on its Blu ray gimmick.

It wasn’t until the PS3 Slim came out in 2009 that the PS3 really came Into itself and became a brilliant console. It’s still probably one of the worst PlayStations next to the PS5 but that’s such a small insult considering it only sold 87 million during its lifetime.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

I would not go that far, the PS4 is head and shoulders above the PS3 because it was what the PS3 really should have been like. Early PS3 days were admittedly pretty rough, yeah it promised amazing technology but the OG PS3 was admittedly overly expensive, had very few good games and was focused entirely on its Blu ray gimmick.

It wasn’t until the PS3 Slim came out in 2009 that the PS3 really came Into itself and became a brilliant console. It’s still probably one of the worst PlayStations next to the PS5 but that’s such a small insult considering it only sold 87 million during its lifetime.

It started off a bit slow, but almost any entry in a series you can think of that was on PS4 had a better entry on PS3, God of War 3, Street Fighter 4, etc.

 

[Stasi]

I played it recently and found it way harder than I remember it. Even new game+ was hard.

It felt like Dark Souls.

Part of the difficulty, for me at least, was the poor camera setup. Pretty much every boss arena has multiple fixed cameras and you end up in situations where the boss is completely off screen and you don't know what the fuck is going on and end up getting hit from off screen.

They have sound cues for the attacks so eventually you can work it out and avoid attacks but its still super jank.

 

[skykiii]

I'm tired of how every Indie game seems to be about depression or death or some other "heavy" topic. Why isn't there an indie game that's just... fun?

I'm also tired of how every indie game has to have quirky visuals. Very often the artstyle alone is a turn-off. 3D Dot Game Heroes for example lost my interest the minute I saw it had that Minecraft-esque style, and I almost didn't play Undertale entirely because the artstyle and character designs put me off. If a game is genuinely good I can get over it, but still.

Speaking of quirky.... speaking as a fan of Earthbound, these days whenever a game claims to be "Earthbound inspired" that makes me more inclined to avoid it than to play it. Especially after Omori turned out to be a trash-heap.

We don't need any more Mega Man inspired platformers. It would be great if they be took inspiration from something besides the Classic series (maybe Legends?) but at this point there are so many games that play like Mega Man that I no longer even care when I hear about a new one.

A lot of 8 and 16-bit games that have a reputation for being difficult.... really aren't. I recently played through Ecco the Dolphin again and the only areas I had issues with were the levels with instant death crushing traps. Most of the maps literally have devices that grant temporary invincibility (with the bonus effect of refilling all your health and air) which are endlessly reusable.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

I never want to see not-zombies - zombies by another name, zombies that are people crazed or infected with "plague" or anything else that makes them into trash enemies that just charge at you - ever again. It's creatively bankrupt and it is boring on both a story and a gameplay level.

This came to me as I was playing Dishonored and it had its "weepers," after finishing Doom with its zombies, after finishing Black Mesa with its headcrab zombies, after finishing We Happy Few with its plague wastrels.

 

[thegooddoctor]

It started off a bit slow, but almost any entry in a series you can think of that was on PS4 had a better entry on PS3, God of War 3, Street Fighter 4, etc.

Ehh kind of, I wonder maybe it’s just 2000s nostalgia but there are series like the uncharted and ratchet and clank series that got better versions through the PS4 era. It gave us the superior version of GTA5 as well. But you are right so many of the best games of all time are on the PS3 and don’t get enough appreciation.

 

[Danny.exe]

Speaking of quirky.... speaking as a fan of Earthbound, these days whenever a game claims to be "Earthbound inspired" that makes me more inclined to avoid it than to play it. Especially after Omori turned out to be a trash-heap.

"Earthbound inspired" really means "Undertale inspired"

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Ehh kind of, I wonder maybe it’s just 2000s nostalgia but there are series like the uncharted and ratchet and clank series that got better versions through the PS4 era. It gave us the superior version of GTA5 as well. But you are right so many of the best games of all time are on the PS3 and don’t get enough appreciation.

I'm not much of an Uncharted guy but most people seem to think the series peaked with Uncharted 2. Besides, I know UC4 is an absolute trashfire of woke garbage, so only soyboys can enjoy it.

I'm also not into R&C, but Up Your Arsenal, Going Commando, and Tools of Destruction are all rated higher than the PS4 R&C, and even the new PS5 one according to Metacritic (which is all I can base their reception on since I've only played R&C1).

I'm sure the PS4 version of GTA5 is probably superior, but that's the case for most next gen versions of a game, it's to be expected. I bet playing it on PS5 is technically the optimal way to play it on PS consoles now, and then it will be best on the (unfortunately) inevitable PS6.

I genuinely struggle to think of many franchises which were at their best on PS4. It's such a mid system that was just...sufficient.

 

[There Is Light At The End]

Morrowind, the darling child of the series, is not some masterclass in incredible deep mechanics - they just let the player go hog wild with a bunch of ridiculous shit that was relatively easy to implement in the engine with absolutely zero attention given to game balance or practicality or bugs introduced at the extremes.

And that's why it's fun. Which leads to my take - power fantasy>>>>>>>>>>>>balanced fantasy

 

[The Ugly One]

I would not go that far, the PS4 is head and shoulders above the PS3 because it was what the PS3 really should have been like. Early PS3 days were admittedly pretty rough, yeah it promised amazing technology but the OG PS3 was admittedly overly expensive, had very few good games and was focused entirely on its Blu ray gimmick.

It wasn’t until the PS3 Slim came out in 2009 that the PS3 really came Into itself and became a brilliant console. It’s still probably one of the worst PlayStations next to the PS5 but that’s such a small insult considering it only sold 87 million during its lifetime.

Good games came out on the PS3 within a year. Launch was a bit rough, but ultimately, that was a good generation for games. I don't think it quite rose to the level of the previous generation. The PS4 was just plagued with utterly uninteresting games. Even the Call of Duty games managed to be unfun cringefests.

 

[The Last Stand]

I'm not much of an Uncharted guy but most people seem to think the series peaked with Uncharted 2. Besides, I know UC4 is an absolute trashfire of woke garbage, so only soyboys can enjoy it.

How is Uncharted 4 "woke?"

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

How is Uncharted 4 "woke?"

Why do you always put woke in scare quotes you stupid nigger?

Petite niggress beats down the straight white man multiple times, then him and his brother 2-on-1. It's an SJW power fantasy, Naughty Dog hates a huge chunk of their fanbase and it's obvious.

 

[The Last Stand]

Why do you always put woke in scare quotes you stupid nigger?

Petite niggress beats down the straight white man multiple times, then him and his brother 2-on-1. It's an SJW power fantasy, Naughty Dog hates a huge chunk of their fanbase and it's obvious.

Because I hate the damn word used in that manner.

Uncharted is the best Tomb Raider ripoff yet. That said, Uncharted 4 could've done more with the family development and less of the macho female traits.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Because I hate the damn word used in that manner.

Uncharted is the best Tomb Raider ripoff yet. That said, Uncharted 4 could've done more with the family development and less of the macho female traits.

Do you have a logical reason for hating the word, or is it just your attempt to deny Wokeism is an actual thing and bordering on becoming a pseudo religion? You tried suggesting it can't be defined before and multiple people called you out on how dumb that was.

I agree, I have nothing really much against the series outside of UC4. I think it's overrated but it's fine.