Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

[Groundbreaking-maize]

It's fucking NATO. They don't invade superpowers, they save that for third world hellscapes.

Quiet, you'll ruin the narrative that has kept the russian people distracted from crippling domestic issues for years.

 

[The Periodic Gamer]

Gotta a laugh outta this one when I saw this. Fucking vodkaniggers stealing our memes.

 

[cybertoaster]

NVM the normies are literally falling for the crappy Sam Hyde photoshop, again.

 

[Shidoen]

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Nah i'm thinking the jews don't have their hand that deep in this shit pile, probably good ole Globohomo. Still would be funny.

 

[Dumb Bitch Smoothie]

You know, Russia really shouldn't be worried about NATO because it isn't like they're accomplishing anything. Same with the UN.
This whole situation is proving how incompetent they both are.

 

[Toothpaste]

Meanwhile, the EU is still wholly dependent on Russia for its energy needs.

The gas must flow, war or not.

 

[OG Swolemaster]

Well, I found this. Yikes! (this is from last year, btw)

from the article:

Death by TOS-1 salvo is an eminently unpleasant experience. Depending on a person’s proximity to the detonation, the overpressure and subsequent combustion from the blast wave can inflict significant damage to internal organs, as well as broken bones, ruptured eardrums, blindness, suffocation, and loss of consciousness in the victim’s last moments.

The thing about this meme is that all explosives do that, the zone at which thermobarics accomplish it is much wider though.

 

[Ira the Weatherman]

As is, russians look like incompetent retards rushing in and getting picked off. Which is accurate, but y'know, it's not like they're doing anything to combat that image outside of boomer media telling you Russia stronk. Makes it seem like they genuinely are getting fucked in the face with nothing to show for it.

I mean, that's not really true either. The Russian offensive has generally been pretty subdued. They've clearly taken pains not to alienate the civilian population, and they're not bumrushing urban centers like morons. The problem seems to be that a lot of the advances in between the border and those urban centres were rushed. The VDV assualt on Gostomel is the most obvious examples, but there have been several cases of small Russian columns getting creamed and videotaped by Uke soldiers who apparantly felt comfortable enough to walk up and gloat. Or several abandoned (not destroyed) convoys. The Russian approach seems more weird than chaotic: they're slow and methodical in general, but at the same time they're apparantly sending unsupported recon and vanguard units to roam around the countryside.

Like fucking everything these days (but actually understandable for once, given the stakes), this shit has been polarized to hell and back. Either the Ukes are chasing the katsaps back to Muscovy, or Russian troops have actually been chilling in Kiev since noon yesterday and been faking everything for the lulz. The truth seems a lot more nuanced.

 

[Groundbreaking-maize]

According to twitter, Russian troops have liberated a top secret Ukrainian Covid-19 making facility.

 

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

if we talk about just the invasions themselves, sure
if we include the many years of occupation and counterinsurgency, not so much

We lost roughly 7,000 US troops in Afghnistan and Iraq in 20 years, with another 60,000 WIA, according to VA and Wikipedia.

You're right, if Russia or Ukraine loses 7,000 troops, a fucking MAJOR disaster has happened for one side or the other.

 

[RedDelicious]

Gotta a laugh outta this one when I saw this. Fucking vodkaniggers stealing our memes.

I'm more upset that you referred to the Gadsden flag as a meme. You're not even strictly wrong.

 

[Dave_Ph]

Big if true. Either the guards are hoping to keep their positions when Putin puts in his guy or they suddenly became redpilled on JewsWyświetl załącznik 3018466

Its a brave mission. He and his bodyguards are going to take out Vlad and end the war

 

[Andrew Neiman]

My coworker says this entire invasion is just to get at Hunter Biden and other people who have deals in the Ukraine. All to expose the Democrats corruption and to take them all down for good.

Imagine if we had social media during WWII. The U.S. would have immediately descended into a huge scrum between the people who supported the U.S. against Hitler, the people who supported Hitler against the U.S., the people who believed Hitler was secretly American, the people who believed munitions manufacturers secretly caused the whole thing to drive up profits, and the people who believed the war wasn't actually happening and was just a big staged event. We wouldn't remember the war with images from the invasion of Normandy, the Yalta Conference and V-J Day celebrations in Times Square. Instead, it'd just be an endless sea of delusional morons yelling at each other on Twitter.

 

[Freezard]

For logistical reasons maybe they didn't want to bring in all of their troops into the fight? Every new soldier and vehicle you send into a battle is an asset that will eventually need more ammo, food or fuel in the case of BMPs and Tanks. The push from Belarus down into Kiev makes sense because they are effectively trying to cut off the head of the Ukrainian government. Advances from the east could also eventually try to go for Kiev. The troops trying to move up from Crimea could be trying to secure the North Crimean Canal, beyond that I have no clue what the objectives could be on that front.

In a war you never want to commit more forces than you think you need, as per Clausewitz's theories which are the basis of modern war. This is because mobilization and war are extremely expensive and economically straining, and especially so for Russia, whose armed forces are quite oversized for their GDP, though not for their idea of their place in the world.
Hitting from the north and south as well as the main front from the east is setting up a classic pincer move, and even armchair generals like me can see it. It's not so much grand objectives so much as whatever facilities movement to trap any Ukrainian forces in a giant pocket and get the sort of army encirclement every general jacks off to the thought of having executed. The only real option if the north and south can't both hold is still a loss, because it forces a situation where you either have to give up your position and run away, or be encircled and isolated.
The other post you're replying to I can't seem to find anymore, but they refer to the possibility of Russia just stacking up everything on one side and pushing forward like a freight train whose front is covered in fat erect penises rather than a multipronged flanking attack. This is not only against tactics as basic as those described in Sun Tzu's art of war concerning how to fight when you outnumber an enemy, but against Russia's tactics going back all the way to World War 2, which involve hitting everywhere at once as hard as you can and exploiting the weak parts you'll inevitably find with an all out broad front attack. This is especially effective when it follows up a giant artillery and air strike like what kicked off the war, though as we've been seeing somewhat, that hasn't gone perfectly for reasons that probably won't be known for weeks at least.

 

[Dave_Ph]

We lost roughly 7,000 US troops in Afghnistan and Iraq in 20 years, with another 60,000 WIA, according to VA and Wikipedia.

You're right, if Russia or Ukraine loses 7,000 troops, a fucking MAJOR disaster has happened for one side or the other.

No, we're just pussies

 

[Strix454]

Oy vey blyat, can confirm. If Zelensky decides to martyr himself I hope it's gas-related, the meme cycle must be sated.

A public hanging would be more traditionally Russian in these circumstances.

 

[Disheveled Human]

I don't get this hype about Russians finding hidden digital dirt on western officials. Why wouldn't Russia already have this? You can access computers remotely and it's basically guaranteed correspondence was done over the internet and stored on an internet-connected server/computer.

The Russians have difficulty hacking high ranking US software because its backed up on servers from the early 2000's with passwords that are Dog1, Password1 and GodBlessAmerica, so the modern encryptors just crash when trying to break in.

 

[The Periodic Gamer]

I'm more upset that you referred to the Gadsden flag as a meme. You're not even strictly wrong.

The Gadson is a meme. The best kind of meme. A really old one too.

I'm mostly amused because snowslavs gonna snowslav.

 

[mr.moon1488]

https://twitter.com/TheLeadCNN/status/1497359841836290052

This is the most Jewish thing I've heard all day.

 

[Freezard]

So, what would happen if the Ukries by some miracle manage to win the war?

Is Russia going to collapse or not?

First you'd need to define what their win condition is, because it's not going to be "crushing Russia's army and marching on Moscow" unless you're in the school of thought that the Avengers and the Resistance from Stur Wurs are coming to save the day.