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I very often see troons trying to change the pitch of their voice, especially MTF, but I haven't seen anyone bring up the dangers of speaking at an unnatural pitch. You might be surprised to find out that something as simple as speaking in the wrong pitch for long periods of time can cause significant health problems.

Speaking at an unnatural pitch is a type of "vocal misuse" which can cause repeated trauma to vocal cords, which can result in developing vocal fold nodules, lesions, cysts, and other disorders like muscle tension dysphonia. (x) This study concluded that women are more likely to have vocal fold nodules than men. (x) Vocal misuse can also cause hoarseness from muscle straining.

PL I know someone who isn't trans who developed vocal fold nodules and had other vocal problems which he found out were all caused by speaking at an unnatural pitch, something he wasn't even aware he had been doing. I think of that every time I see a man trying to sound more womanly or an Ayden trying to sound more masculine. But I suppose if troons cared about their health at all, they wouldn't have considered transitioning in the first place.

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That is a big "except." Except for mutations humans and flies are the same. Must mean we can transition into flies then, huh.

I find this information fascinating; however, troons will mutilate their bodies and genitals for their fetish. So, they probably don’t give a fuck about the dangers of speaking in an unnatural pitch. That’s probably the least damaging thing they could do to their bodies.

Cooming comes before both safety and health for them. :story:
 
I don't get why the FtMs hate us so much. No man cares. Literally none. Sure we'll insult your "manhood" but that's kind of our thing. We do that to each other. Literally no man worth his balls gives two shits about a piss if an FtM has a fancy plastic penis. We're not intimidated. Not even by guys hung like a horse. It doesn't matter as long as I get mine wet. That's why we hire hookers. If some woman wants to be a man, then be a man. Walk the walk, Sally. Talk about making a mountain out of a mole hill. Damn near literally for fucks sake.
The only stuff that annoys me is when chicks like that mohawk faggot troon out and then you've got a 5'1" turbo-manlet with a vagina telling you why your expression of masculinity is so inferior to theirs.
 
Somewhat incorrect.
This is swyer syndrome phenotype- it's clearly reads as sorta-kinda man in the vein of Eastern Germany female swimmer, but the people affected do consider themselves mostly women and don't display much difference until puberty. They have male proto gonads and shallow pseudo-vagina.
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What you're talking about is rather Complete androgen insensitivity syndrome (CAIS) (it's different from androgen insensitivity syndrome). People affected are pretty much phenotypicaly female and some even have fully developed ovaries and uterus and at least one case is know of a XY CAIS female to have given birth (tho, to be honest, I guess it's rather impossible to figure out CAIS if such woman has everything functional without genetic testing, so the real numbers are unknown and we really only can count those who are do still have male features, because those are getting tested mostly).
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That being said, it is still true, that genetically they are male, failed genetically, but genetically still male. Just because your Y doesn't work as designed it doesn't mean you don't have it. If intersex people are few permile (as most intersex embryos are not vible and miscarried early) and CAIS is estimated at 2-5 per 100 000 (0,002-5%), statistically speaking it's nonsignifacant in saying that female are XX and male are XY, binary is and it always was the same and non changing, even if it fails to properly express genetic coding. So I would call CAIS person a woman in social context, but I would still consider them male.
Who cares. These people are like 1% of the population. Anyone who claims to LGBT and intersex is lying.
 
Tumblr is not ground zero of genderism today, but there are still plenty weird people around:

Two transwomen are in dire need of money for rent. Reason: harassment from white power groups in the area. And Covid.
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A transman had a panic attack when buying pads. Can the white power groups PLEASE leave the tampon section?
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At first, I thought this was a TERF blog mocking them. After reading some of their posts I am not so sure. #peak masculinity
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Gendered marketing is dumb, but give me all the Axe body spray.
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A grown-up woman is uncomfortable thinking of herself as a lady or woman or man. She can deal with being considered a girl, but prefers to be a boy. (She is scared about what this adds up to - hell, yeah you should be, pedo)
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Somewhat incorrect.
This is swyer syndrome phenotype- it's clearly reads as sorta-kinda man in the vein of Eastern Germany female swimmer, but the people affected do consider themselves mostly women and don't display much difference until puberty. They have male proto gonads and shallow pseudo-vagina.
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What you're talking about is rather Complete androgen insensitivity syndrome (CAIS) (it's different from androgen insensitivity syndrome). People affected are pretty much phenotypicaly female and some even have fully developed ovaries and uterus and at least one case is know of a XY CAIS female to have given birth (tho, to be honest, I guess it's rather impossible to figure out CAIS if such woman has everything functional without genetic testing, so the real numbers are unknown and we really only can count those who are do still have male features, because those are getting tested mostly).
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That being said, it is still true, that genetically they are male, failed genetically, but genetically still male. Just because your Y doesn't work as designed it doesn't mean you don't have it. If intersex people are few permile (as most intersex embryos are not vible and miscarried early) and CAIS is estimated at 2-5 per 100 000 (0,002-5%), statistically speaking it's nonsignifacant in saying that female are XX and male are XY, binary is and it always was the same and non changing, even if it fails to properly express genetic coding. So I would call CAIS person a woman in social context, but I would still consider them male.
they produce viable eggs you say? could they theoretically produce an egg with a y chromosome? could this then be fertilized by a y carrying sperm to produce a YY genotype embryo? then what would a YY human phenotype look like? is this how we will eventually breed the real IRL gigachad of the future, a literal double-male man?

i have so many questions about this

//edit: i checked, apparently a pure YY genotype would be unviable and just die off during early pregnancy already
 
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The only stuff that annoys me is when chicks like that mohawk faggot troon out and then you've got a 5'1" turbo-manlet with a vagina telling you why your expression of masculinity is so inferior to theirs.
I agree but I'm not so offended as amused. Some lady on the internet is going to tell me that I feel inferior to her strap on? Really? I don't want to get into my sex life but think about what you're saying, madam.
 
Somewhat incorrect.
This is swyer syndrome phenotype- it's clearly reads as sorta-kinda man in the vein of Eastern Germany female swimmer, but the people affected do consider themselves mostly women and don't display much difference until puberty. They have male proto gonads and shallow pseudo-vagina.
Wyświetl załącznik 2581602

What you're talking about is rather Complete androgen insensitivity syndrome (CAIS) (it's different from androgen insensitivity syndrome). People affected are pretty much phenotypicaly female and some even have fully developed ovaries and uterus and at least one case is know of a XY CAIS female to have given birth (tho, to be honest, I guess it's rather impossible to figure out CAIS if such woman has everything functional without genetic testing, so the real numbers are unknown and we really only can count those who are do still have male features, because those are getting tested mostly).
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That being said, it is still true, that genetically they are male, failed genetically, but genetically still male. Just because your Y doesn't work as designed it doesn't mean you don't have it. If intersex people are few permile (as most intersex embryos are not vible and miscarried early) and CAIS is estimated at 2-5 per 100 000 (0,002-5%), statistically speaking it's nonsignifacant in saying that female are XX and male are XY, binary is and it always was the same and non changing, even if it fails to properly express genetic coding. So I would call CAIS person a woman in social context, but I would still consider them male.
You've got it switched around CAIS is the one that has internal male gonad, shallow vulva that leads to nowhere, and there's no case where they gave birth. They do not have uterus to make that possible. (They're technically 'male' because they do have balls)

There's a case where someone with Swyer Syndrome can be transplanted with egg cell and can carry surrogacy birth, they actually do have uterus but their ovaries hasn't differentiated.
 
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I agree but I'm not so offended as amused. Some lady on the internet is going to tell me that I feel inferior to her strap on? Really? I don't want to get into my sex life but think about what you're saying, madam.
Very true. It's not intimidating - it's merely annoying in a way that's exclusive to sanctimonious lectures from nosy women.
 
Very true. It's not intimidating - it's merely annoying in a way that's exclusive to sanctimonious lectures from nosy women.
Women have nothing to do with it. It's hilarious that anyone who knows nothing about being a man would try to dictate to men what it means to be one. I've known biological men in her exact same position. Chris Chan is going through learn this lesson when he goes to prison. We are who we are, biology exists. It takes more than hormones to make a man or a woman. Where is the line? I'm too uneducated to say with any authority, but that line exists and none of the cows have yet crossed it. Certainly not this danger hair freak.
 
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Women are so demanding! Now they want their partners to have nipples.
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The neckbeard is joeycuppa, a TIF who did voice acting for pay. Of porn. In really high pitched voices speaking in a fake childish way
 
Yeah come to think of it, FtMs hardly ever talk about brothers (if they have them), while MtFs are always telling jolly stories of sniffing their sisters' panties. Hmmm.
I was thinking about this the other day. I know two guys with AGP, one transitioned and one not. Both are obsessed with lesbians. Both have lesbian sisters. Hmmmm.
 
This is generally why I think that there are some truly trans people out there, because the genetics can get a bit blurry, hell, everything in biology is a bit blurry.
That's the funny thing, individuals with DSDs don't have higher rates of transgenderism. (Some troons like to claim otherwise, but you'll find most of the studies supporting that conclusion involve anonymous surveys distributed on places like tumblr, asking people if they "identify as intersex")

Those conditions are probably the only thing I'd actually consider a legitimate reason for transgenderism and it doesn't seem to be a big motivator.
Somewhat off-topic, but I've been watching some of the "Waffling Willow" detransitioner videos that were posted here. She said she cried much less while taking testosterone - only "once a month" or so.

If once a month is notably infrequent, exactly how fucking often are hormonally-normal women crying?
I've heard that from a few detransitioners before. I can imagine testosterone blunts emotions to some extent. (And aggravates other emotions, like anger.) It's interesting.

We know hormones can affect mood. Roid rage is a thing.
personally, I buy the spectrum argument. Because biology is messy and so are spectrums.
Sex isn't a spectrum though.

Sex is defined in mammals as the two sex classes that partake in reproduction. That's the starting point for the whole concept and everything rolls downhill from there.

In fact, DSDs are sex specific. Some only affect males and some only affect females. An individual with a DSD is still male or female, just perhaps with some sex related things malfunctioning to varying degrees.
That being said, it is still true, that genetically they are male, failed genetically, but genetically still male. Just because your Y doesn't work as designed it doesn't mean you don't have it. If intersex people are few permile (as most intersex embryos are not vible and miscarried early) and CAIS is estimated at 2-5 per 100 000 (0,002-5%), statistically speaking it's nonsignifacant in saying that female are XX and male are XY, binary is and it always was the same and non changing, even if it fails to properly express genetic coding. So I would call CAIS person a woman in social context, but I would still consider them male.
The thing is, sex isn't tied strictly to the Y chromosome itself, but more specifically the SRY gene that is almost always found on the Y chromosome. An XY individual with a mangled SRY gene is female. Or if the SRY gene gets transposed (another genetic anomaly) to the X chromosome, you can end up with an XX male.

(Well mostly, there's evidence that some less common genes can fill in for the SRY gene, but by that point, we're really getting into the weeds.)

But yeah, ultimately, none of this shit has barely anything to do with transgenderism. Troons are just using people's unfortunate medical issues to argue for their weird fetishes or mental issues.
 
Women have more genetic material than men and that is thanks to our second chromosomes. There are also 6500 (known) genes that separates males from females. This Yale talk discusses this in detail:

All males are about 99.9 percent identical when it comes to their genomes, the biological entities that carry the codes for traits passed down through generations of parents and their children. That means that any two males differ by only 0.1 percent at the genetic level, and these differences account for all of the variety preset in males before they begin to develop in their mothers and then the outside world.

Of course, despite the lofty language and democratic philosophy, the country’s Founding Fathers made some notable exemptions in their conception of equality and inalienable rights for the new nation’s citizens. And even as women continue to fight for equality in many aspects of society today, they are less like men than even Jefferson knew, sharing only 98.5 percent of their genetic makeup with men. That’s 15 times greater than the difference between any two human males, who are about as genetically similar to a male chimpanzee as to a human female.
Source.

This means that any female will be different from a male at the cellular level. Injecting estrogen into a male won't make him female as he developed male in utero. You cannot 'switch off' those genes unless you get a heady dose of radiation.
It does, but it really doesn’t do much. The Y-Chromosome is basically an “on” switch to start making dude parts. Some of the genes it activates are on the X chromosome. Some are elsewhere. As the old biochemistry joke goes “there’s only one chromosome you can live without and it affects nearly 51% of the population”

There are in fact cases of women with XY genomes. I don’t mean trans women, I mean real honest to goodness women who’s physical deformities aren’t detectable by the average Joe. These women “suffer” from a messed up Y chromosome, so the body just defaulted to X and went ahead and made a girl. There are some side effects of course. Some need hormonal replacement and some get a surgery to clean up any malformed internal tissues, but it’s not unheard of.

This is generally why I think that there are some truly trans people out there, because the genetics can get a bit blurry, hell, everything in biology is a bit blurry. It’s the level trans people we are seeing and what they are trying to push that scares me, not that they use some of biology’s weirder habits to make a point.
Swyer's Syndrome women are women as they do not have an SRY gene. That is the specific gene on the Y chromosome that allows for male development. If it is deleted, defective or does not work in any manner, the fetus develops as female. They have a developmental disorder; they are not actually trans. Hasci Horvath (givethemseeds on Twitter) posted studies showing trans people having normal chromosomal pairs.
Yes, this is why it annoys me when people take the “if there’s a Y it’s a guy” position, because it really does make things ridiculous when you’re saying someone with the appearance of a woman, who was raised as a woman, who has boobs and a vulva, and who with the help of hormones and egg donation can literally bear children in some cases, is actually a man. She might be biologically male, but pointing to a woman whose parents named her Jennifer who is holding a baby she just gave birth to and saying “that’s a man, baby!” just makes you look silly.

The reason troons are so successful with the “sex is more complicated than high school biology, sweaty" argument is because they’re partially right. The key is that they then use that complexity (and people's general lack of understanding) to push bullshit like sex being changeable or “a spectrum.”

The key is: there are ways nature screws up the human sexes, and a lot of it hinges on the fact that the "default" outward phenotype is female. This is not the same as saying “all fetuses start off female” which I’ve seen MtFs use (“I was female but then got testosterone poisoning”). All fetuses either have a Y or they don’t. But in the absence of certain functional genes or hormones, a fetus with XX or XY will develop a vulva and look female.

More on the Y chromosome: X and Y aren’t just random labels, the two chromosomes actually resemble the letters X and Y during cell division. In other words, the Y is missing a ‘leg’ that the X has, which means that a lot of genes on the X don’t have a matching “pair” in males. This is why there is a category of genetic diseases that affect men worse than women, because women have that extra backup version of certain genes that men don’t. Short version: chromosomes matter, and they are real, and they affect you forever.
Sex is determined at fertilization, so 'female as the default' isn't true. Female being a base set is true as the organism we evolved from went from single-sexed to dual-sexed. The only beings capable of parthenogenesis are all female. DSDs are variations within sex, not variations of, and many, many transactivists and scientists are not aware of this.

In terms of the 'If it has a Y, it will always be a guy' can be backed with 'If he has a Y and SRY, he's always a guy'.
 
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